Navigraph Data

[luisgordo]

Hi Folks,

It's been a while since I last updated my AIRAC information (actually last time I did, it was free of charge!). I'd like to update it now, but I'm not really sure what file I should download for PM. When I go to the corresponding Navigraph page I see:

<TABLE width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>AirSimTech / AST </TD><TD>Yes </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>7.8 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=270B267C-FD71-4DBA-B35B-974789A980E3';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD>Aviograsf A340 </TD><TD>No </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>4.1 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=D94907BE-7240-46AC-87A5-48B047DCC48F';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Digital Aviation Cheyenne </TD><TD>No </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>4.7 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=09079E33-4BD6-4BEE-AC72-B9EBDEE637F4';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD>Dreamfleet & Eurowings Prof </TD><TD>Yes </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>5 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=2C31818B-EC79-41CF-97E2-2F7E68931A5D';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Feelthere CRJ </TD><TD>No </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>4.7 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=C1504346-A5D9-4830-952A-227A603429A1';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD>Flight1 ATR72 </TD><TD>Yes </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>6 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=9EA95B9D-1D5C-49BB-A059-7FCFB4445CAF';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Flightsim Commander 7.x/8.x </TD><TD>Yes </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>6.4 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=4B0DB127-F4AC-4FCA-BF67-8B75A2DA4395';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD>FS Instructor Panel 200X </TD><TD>No </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>2.7 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=C5B6150E-69C6-4EAC-9C54-F1AF9280EAEA';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>FS-Navigator 4.x </TD><TD>No </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>5.4 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=7AD4A4F3-AFEE-4927-BDF6-9DCB9EE1709B';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD>LevelD 767 </TD><TD>No </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>4 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=29A7501F-FFC6-4978-A7C9-DD5540CBE263';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>PMDG (all products) </TD><TD>Yes </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>7.5 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=80DA2674-F653-4BC6-9715-D6399376C5F0';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD>PSS Airbus/Boeing/Dash </TD><TD>Yes </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>5.3 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=87F17BB7-7E12-4961-9838-F283DDCCBE46';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>vasFMC Flight Management </TD><TD>Yes </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>6 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=7305950F-6EC8-418F-AA86-46E3AE8D589F';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffffff><TD>Wilco A320 Pilot In Command </TD><TD>No </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>2.8 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=9957EC61-40BF-4539-9B97-0A815B759301';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#eeeeee><TD>Wilco/Feelthere 737/777, ERJ, Legacy, Citation X </TD><TD>Yes </TD><TD>27/08/2007 </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>18.7 MB </TD><TD><INPUT onclick="window.location = 'fmsdata_dialog.asp?fileID=03C298A1-AE75-4A96-A02A-EA4DA3462977';" type=button value=Download> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

And I don't really see any direct reference to Project Magenta here...

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

[marco]

Hello Luis,

Since this last cycle AIRAC 0709, there is no AIRAC available for the Project Magenta. But it's temporarely and I suggest to you to visit the Navigraph forum (into the General Questions) about the problem (see my question and answer coming from Richard Stefan).

Best Regards

Marco

[luisgordo]

Hi Marco,

Thanks for your reply. I assume the forum and thread you are referring to is this one: http://forum.navdata.at/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=692

That's more or less a month ago... Anyway, what's the converter he is talking about? And also, is there any way to access old AIRAC cycles?

Thanks once more!

[luisgordo]

Marco, I just saw this other thread: http://forum.navdata.at/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=750

This answers my questions ;)

Thanks.

[marco]

Hello Luis,

Your last message refers correctly what I saw then wait and see but I'm sure we'll receive major updates coming from Enrico and his team. :p

Marco

[JonathanRichardson]

Hi

For the time being we are using navdata from the Updates/Intermediate section of the PM website for trouble shooting and testing. We would advise this cycle unless you really have an absolute need to use another cycle (which we will not be able to support for technical reasons). I have made many tests so far with the test cycle and it seems to be very good. When we are sure that the problems have been ironed out we will sort out with Navigraph how to proceed with further updates.

Please also note, that I have had various reports of problems in the past that I have not been able to see, and some errors it has become apparent are due to third party programs being used for route planning / saving and loading like FS itself into the CDU. Once you load an entire route with a third party program and if in this route you make a change using the CDU, it is entirely possible due to miss match data that problems can occur. If you want to limit this "room" for a possible error, I would personally advise creating all your routes with the current navdata and building them in the CDU and then using the CDU to save then (if required). I know some people have very long routes and this can be a tedious job, but it is the best way to ensure error free ops. The routes I use for demos are much shorter hops so I can understand why third party programs are used sometimes. So, to be clear, I'm just putting this forward as a suggestion, simply from what I have managed to glean from what some of the problems appear to be coming from when sent into us on the support mail and it could be that *some* but not all issues with route line generation / problems are not only limited to the navdata convertor problem but miss matches of data. I hope this info helps a little.

Regards
Jonathan Richardson
Project Magenta

[marco]

Hello Jonathan,

Very good news and many thanks for your wonderfull job. I'll certainly follow your suggestions regarding the AIRACS cycle and we'll wait until the problem will be resolve with navigraph, no problem

Best Regards

Marco

[luisgordo]

Thanks Johnathan for your hard work.

[Hans Krohn]

Hi Jonathan,

I've had the same suspicion about the cause for recent CDU problems.

On the other hand, some flight planning programs (like FSC) use the same source for nav data as PM, i.e. Navigraph. But even with data coming from the same provider, I encountered the "spagetti salad" routes on the NAV display and in the CDU legs page.

As a temp fix I also started building the routes for my short hops in the CDU and that works fine - it's just that flight planners are more convenient and leave more time for flying.

Looking forward to further news on this subject. And thanks for the info!

All the best,
Hans

[michelmvd]

Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for clarification, but I like to inform you that all mentioned problems about the NAVDATA, came out when I put my routes myself in the CDU.
I'm preparing everything in FOC2003 (http://www.danur.com) , but I always put my route manually in the FMC/CDU via RTE page and DEP/ARR page, using the ATC flightplan info section.
Would of course be great if we could simulate fltpln input via ACARS as we have with PS1 ;) ;) ;) but I don't even dare to ask ;) ;) ;)
B. Rgds
Michel

[Jan Pemöller]

Hi all,

yep I can confirm michel´s answer!
This is the way you enter the route in the cdu:

1. Select Dep and Arr Airport
2. go to DEP/APP page and select the SID with Runway from atis
3. go to RTE page, and put in the route. Example: Y989.WRB etc
4. go to DEP/APP page and select expecting ARR STAR and RWY
5. PERF and Takeoff page

If you fly the route like you entered on first time you will get no errors, but when you have to change the STAR or RWY in flight you will get mess of waypoints. It seems for me, that after selecting a new STAR the CDU can not find the old end of the normal part of the route (without the STAR).

Sometimes it happens also when entering the STAR on ground (first time) that CDU lost the last Ariways/Waypoint entrys on the RTE page (and of course aswell on the LEGS page).

I realy can not understand why this takes so long to repair. The rest of PM-programms are real great.

Hope is the last we have, I guess ...
I would love to pay for an update of a working CDU!

Best regards
Jan