projectors vs flat TV

[Jackpilot]

Just floating the idea.
As the prices drop daily, a 50" HD TV costs roughly the price of a good projector.
Definition and colors are better
Do not need a dark environment
Can be really close= smaller sim room

The only problem I see (appropriate word) is the framing of each TV.

Ideas, comments, experience welcome
Jack

[BHawthorne]

I'd say it highly depends upon what you're building. Some simpit a projection tv just wouldn't work well with.

[Jackpilot]

I'd say it highly depends upon what you're building. Some simpit a projection tv just wouldn't work well with.


B737 as indicated.
Projection TV have a terrible definition. I'm referring to Flat screen HD TV's
I have recently seen some 50" around $1000.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/jackpilot/TV.jpg

[BHawthorne]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/jackpilot/TV.jpg

Theoreticly the bottom example would work well. You'd need 2 Matrox DualHead2Go boxes and use Windows XP horizontal-span mode all ran through the best single video card you can afford. The top example is the reason why you'd use triplehead projection on a curved screen and not LCD/tvs.

[Bob Reed]

Well the bottom one does not work well and I am talking from experience. The center where the left and right come together is the problem. When you are on approach, you can not see the runway. The first one works much better.


Theoreticly the bottom example would work well. You'd need 2 Matrox DualHead2Go boxes and use Windows XP horizontal-span mode all ran through the best single video card you can afford. The top example is the reason why you'd use triplehead projection on a curved screen and not LCD/tvs.

[Mike.Powell]

You may find some of the comments here: http://www.avsim.com/project757/pics/week24.html to be of interest. The Lehkamps worked with multiple Sony CRT monitors in late 2002 as part of their 767 sim.

[tasmanet]

Well the bottom one does not work well and I am talking from experience. The center where the left and right come together is the problem. When you are on approach, you can not see the runway. The first one works much better.

Could you please expand on this Bob as I am not sure what you mean

Regards

Steve

[tasmanet]

HI

Whilst on the subject I believe there is a program out there that can resolve most of the problems using multiple screens ???

Regards

[BHawthorne]

HI

Whilst on the subject I believe there is a program out there that can resolve most of the problems using multiple screens ???

Regards

No... ;)

The problem is Microsoft and the major video card manufacturers are a bit short sighted when it comes to making multi-moniter setups just work how they theoretically should. This is no simple answer or piece of software that just fixes it.

[Michael Carter]

I can't wait until they develop flexible LCD TFT technology. Can you imagine a 60", or larger wrap-around screen, and needing only one for the entire sim?

Cheaper than a projector and runs from only one video port on the card.

Wishful thinking I guess. :lol:

[JSpahn]

Its coming:

http://gizmodo.com/341413/alienware-curved-monitor-looks-like-its-from-another-planet

[Michael Carter]

They're on the right track.

[Padraig]

I seen this a good while ago. I thought it would be out by now, but I would hope that it will be higher in size too. It looks very long, but not high enough.

[ivar hestnes]

I can't wait until they develop flexible LCD TFT technology. Can you imagine a 60", or larger wrap-around screen, and needing only one for the entire sim?

Cheaper than a projector and runs from only one video port on the card.

Wishful thinking I guess. :lol:

It is already invented Michael:) It is called Oled.

But not yet available for the public market.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ0oMMEyb40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fEgAGAzP4w&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFDyWGstZ-g&feature=related

This is going to be awesome when you can order a OLED sheet on 6x2 meters:cool:

[Michael Carter]

Wow. Thanks for posting that. It was very informative.

[BHawthorne]

Its coming:

http://gizmodo.com/341413/alienware-curved-monitor-looks-like-its-from-another-planet

wrong... ;)

That's a 3 gun rear projection DLP tv setup. crap for the money... Alienware has been pimping that prototype for about 2 years now. Wrong resolution, wrong technology, wrong pricerange.

I really think surround-screen will never be popular enough to target with mainstream hardware. Manufacturers simply can't justify the development for a small group of people. Until something comes along to make it appealing to mainstream it won't catch on or be affordable imho. It would be really cool to see OLED kits out in the future that might address some of these issues though.

[fweinrebe]

Well the bottom one does not work well and I am talking from experience. The center where the left and right come together is the problem. When you are on approach, you can not see the runway. The first one works much better.

tasmanet, what Bob is referring to and he is right is that the split in the monitors is where the runway should be if you are nicely on centreline on an approach or even in a take-off position. The runway is slitted between the monitors. Very irritating.

This is why the TripleHeadToGo works so well because the runway is always in the centre of the centre screen.

[Jackpilot]

tasmanet, what Bob is referring to and he is right is that the split in the monitors is where the runway should be if you are nicely on centreline on an approach or even in a take-off position. The runway is slitted between the monitors. Very irritating.

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What if you put the point of view more left on the Capt side and more right on the FO's? (if doable?)

[tasmanet]

View_forward_dir=3.000, 0.000, 5.000

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Using a320 but the panel is for an a380

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[GSalden]

A triplehead2go is a good piece of hardware, but for a nice cockpit it probably would be better using for , so the middel window bar of the cockpit is really in the middle, where the bezels of the monitors also are.

However there is no way ( as far as I know of ) to get 4 screesn 3d accelerated.

Adding a 4 monitor beside a triplehead2go would be in window mode and that extra view can cost up to 40% gramerates.

I used projectors before and I loved it, but the extra sharpness ( resolution ) with lcd screens I prefer better.

Using 2 computers with WidevieW would work, however when using the th2go the front view is spread over 3 monitors and then the runway looks wider.

[BHawthorne]

However there is no way ( as far as I know of ) to get 4 screesn 3d accelerated.

2 matrox DualHead2Go and XP horizontal-span mode... ;)

[GSalden]

2 matrox DualHead2Go and XP horizontal-span mode... ;)

Did you try this ?
Will Fsx let you choose a resolution of 4096x768 or 5120x1024 ?

Xp is history for me.

Btw I remember reading that you could only use 1 matrox box per graphics card.

[BHawthorne]

Did you try this ?
Will Fsx let you choose a resolution of 4096x768 or 5120x1024 ?

Xp is history for me.

Btw I remember reading that you could only use 1 matrox box per graphics card.

The analog versions work just fine. All the better, because the analog are cheaper. Only way to pull it off is with XP. There have been also examples of TH2G spanning too.

[GSalden]

The analog versions work just fine. All the better, because the analog are cheaper. Only way to pull it off is with XP. There have been also examples of TH2G spanning too.

Summary :
By using Xp in expanded mode and 2 analog dualhead2go boxes ,each connected to the same graphics card , it is posible to have 1 wide 3d accelerated front view ,consisting of 4 monitors.

What are the framerates like compared to just the triplehead2go ?

Now a solution for Vista.



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[BHawthorne]

You could run it in windowed mode and force a fake resolution in the nvidia control panel. Windowed mode is a lot slower than full screen mode though.

[SimSimmer]

There is a company in the UK that has come up with a way to fuse multiple LCD monitors together giving 180 - 320 degrees of seamless wrap around display that would serve our needs just fine if it ever gets to the US. They have examples of it on youtube under "seamless display". Sorry I don't have the link guys.

Ian

[BHawthorne]

There is a company in the UK that has come up with a way to fuse multiple LCD monitors together giving 180 - 320 degrees of seamless wrap around display that would serve our needs just fine if it ever gets to the US. They have examples of it on youtube under "seamless display". Sorry I don't have the link guys.

Ian

I'll believe it when I see it. Multiple monitors still = mutliple video outs = same old issues.

[GSalden]

I'll believe it when I see it. Multiple monitors still = mutliple video outs = same old issues.

What about this for Vista :
one dh2go connected to the graphics card and 2 dh2go connected to the first dh2go.





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[tasmanet]

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Could be a great idea on bigger Full/True HD screens

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWivZEtH6-c&feature=related

[SimSimmer]

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Could be a great idea on bigger Full/True HD screens

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWivZEtH6-c&feature=related


Thanks for the link Tasmanet.

Simsimmer

[xlonglife]

And what a price £9750 + delivery + VAT :(

You can get a lot of projection going for that !

Steve

[BHawthorne]

What about this for Vista :
one dh2go connected to the graphics card and 2 dh2go connected to the first dh2go.

Won't work, because the TH2G and DH2G can only take a limited set of input resolutions. They also have max resolution limitations.


And what a price £9750 + delivery + VAT :(

You can get a lot of projection going for that !

Steve

My thoughts exactly. I'd spend 1/10th of that on a decent 1080p projector. that's an insaine price to pay for lack of lcd bezels.

[tasmanet]

No... ;)

The problem is Microsoft and the major video card manufacturers are a bit short sighted when it comes to making multi-moniter setups just work how they theoretically should. This is no simple answer or piece of software that just fixes it.


This is what I meant :roll:

http://immersaview.com/sol7.html

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[BHawthorne]

B737 as indicated.
Projection TV have a terrible definition. I'm referring to Flat screen HD TV's
I have recently seen some 50" around $1000.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c29/jackpilot/TV.jpg

I've ran into a new way to get 4 LCDs hardware accelerated. I'm using 2 matrox DualHead2Go Digital and 4 24" LCDs. I then horizontal-span it all in Windows XP. This option isn't available in Windows Vista. This will allow you to use 4 1080p HDTVs and get full screen hardware acceleration. I can personally confirm below that this'll work:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/664/picture006xt5.jpg

[GSalden]

How are the framerates when doing this ?

Fs2004 should be possible with good framerates, but FSX with detailed scenery might be an issue.

The more screens the less framerates.
You would have to use a hight end pc.

[BHawthorne]

How are the framerates when doing this ?

Fs2004 should be possible with good framerates, but FSX with detailed scenery might be an issue.

The more screens the less framerates.
You would have to use a hight end pc.

Yes, it would require a top of the line CPU and a top of the line video card. This is all done through a single video card.