Clarification

[warvet]

Hmmmmm Not taking anything away from Rodney at all cause he's got a fantastic flightdeck in the making there for sure without a doubt, especially if he follows along what you have done Michael, but my point of post is how can someone receive what I have considered such a prestigious award that builders work their butts off, huge $$$ and hours of time and detail to be able to reach a point where they have attained a cockpit worthy of being called Builder of the month "Builder of the Month" and yet and again taking absolutely nothing away from Rodney at all, but to me buying a flightdeck of an old wrecked 727 and really not even having done much of anything to it certainly can not in anyway considered builder of the month. Now before anyone throws rotten fruit at me :) this is not sour grapes (Get it fruit..grapes lol ) anywhow its not because Im interested for myself, becauselol my deck is largely disassembled and certainly can no longer even come close to builder of the Month at this stage, at one time definitely but now no way. But and this is a big but not as big as Oprah's but big enough, many gents here have invested 1000s of $$ or hours or both building creations that are worthy of any CAE or have creativity that is amazing. These are the unsung heroes of our craft/hobby these guys deserve Builder of the month. Rodney as I said has a great project and it'll probably be amazing when hes done but right now he should have Scrap Deck of the month, or Best real Part Owner of the month. I just think its cheating the Builder that truly deserves that prestigious honor of having their amazing project showcased and their 30 days in the spotlight. This is just my opinion, now feel free to throw fruit :) By the way Rod great find, lots of wor ahead I look forward to the end result.I personally think you should create a board of builders to accept submisions for their project and choose 3 builds projects and display them for a builder silent vote and then choose that way, based on a set of criteria.
Tim

[Geremy Britton]

I think it is more than just the look of the cockpit as a whole which determines the builder of the month. It is many factors.

It could be as small as managing to interface and wire up a panel to MFS that knowone has acheived before and other have learnt valuable information from for example.

Also maybe just helping other builders by being a regular viewer and poster here at mycockpit.org which in my book goes down as being an excellent builder, because it's not all about looks.

Yes, it will take longer for people who are building their own parts to acheive this but **** i think knowledge certinaly rules over $$$ here.

Why would you bother giving a BOM to someone who's spend 20K at FDS and built their sim in a week for example? There's no personal flare in that.

I think Rodney no question deserves the builder of the month, his help with my problems to do with backlighting etc have been invaluable, and his knowledge of the 727 is great.

Quite frankly it's Mike who makes the decision based on the community and what he's seen in terms of progress, dedication, and kindness from individual builders.

Well done Rodney, without your expertise in the electricals i might have never figured out the lighting on my panel, and your ideas and help have been great over the last few month. The interview was a great read and i never knew you had your own shell it looks great!

You should post more pictures Rodney - Great stuff! Keep it up :)

Regards

[Joe Cygan]

No offense Tim but I think your holding on too tight buddy. The builder of the month is far from any type of prestigious thing. I look at as a fun and interesting way to look into someone’s project no matter of the sophistication. Why rain on someone’s parade my friend as it only sours the moment. Let this guy have his fifteen minutes and move on.

[vidarf]

The main thing for me to keep my motivation up, is to see other builders work. Pictures and details are the most important of all!
Whether one has scratch-built everything or all the components are bought and put together - that's just two different approaches to the same landing!
You can do the manual approach, the CAT III or like me: a combination of both. :)

For the next builder of the month, PLEASE include more images. :)
Rodney, good luck with your project! You have no idea how lucky you are to have an actual cockpit! There's no way I could get one here in Norway.

[warvet]

Rodney first off allow me to appologize to you if in any way you misunderstood my post regarding your Builder of the month presentation. I think you most certainly deserve to be recognized for your tremendous and valuable contribution to this hobby and I know its been very highly appreciated by many members. I in no way was trying to say you were in anyway undeserving of recognition, quite the contrary. However I merely also believed the award of builder of the month was for work comleted on a project and when I saw yours was just beginning I was somewhat confused. For the rest of you who commented about my comment, you are absolutely correct in your statements if in fact the award was for the reasons you stated, and in fact it appears so. I do appologize to the forum as a collective because truly I misunderstood the criteria in which it is judged and thank you for clarifng that for me. Secondly, i think incredibly highly of Michael as a person and a builder and I do believe he is certainly an excellent choice to determine who receives the award and my idea of a commitee to do that in no way reflects a negative on Michael or his competency, merely as in many facets of our society we utilize a collective body and a process of democracy to decide important things, such as judicial and public awards etc so I merely was suggesting that type of selection process to help Michael out because sometimes its always nice to get others thoughts and opinions. Anyhow never the less its been now clarified for me and anyone whos feelings I may of offended I do sincerely appologize. Rodney finally you most certainy do deserve your time in the spotlight and the interview was very interesting as matt pointed out. For those of you who still think Im a **** well your right so I cant fault you on your accuracy of perception. Rodney Congratulations on a continued contribution to the hobby and good luck with that beast of a project your facing.

Tim

[Geremy Britton]

Following on from this and the idea of what Tim mentioned on a democratic society.

Why doesn't michael create a forum post each month with the top 3 or 4 builders he nominates to receive the award along with a picture and why they should receive the award and we as forum members and simbuilers can vote via a poll in the thread and the winner after a week can be the Builder of Month that way it's fair everyone has a chance for a say and it also promotes self esteem. Plus the fact we get a lot of 3/4 mini interviews and pics each month ;)


Sounds like a good idea in my personal opinion. I might be a bit biased personally, so lets see what mike has to say. :)

Anyone in agreeance with the idea being pursued?

[Joe Cygan]

Following on from this and the idea of what Tim mentioned on a democratic society.

Why doesn't michael create a forum post each month with the top 3 or 4 builders he nominates to receive the award along with a picture and why they should receive the award and we as forum members and simbuilers can vote via a poll in the thread and the winner after a week can be the Builder of Month that way it's fair everyone has a chance for a say and it also promotes self esteem. Plus the fact we get a lot of 3/4 mini interviews and pics each month ;)


Sounds like a good idea in my personal opinion. I might be a bit biased personally, so lets see what mike has to say. :)

Anyone in agreeance with the idea being pursued?

Too complicated. Keep it fun.

[Matt Olieman]

I appreciate all the comments and recommendations, but I must tell you the BOM thread is not the the area to make suggestions or recommendations regarding articles and specifically the BOM.

Being that said and regarding the BOM, the perception the BOM are only for builders that have finished their product is not true. I don't think we've had any BOMs that have a finished their sim. Actually I don't believe anyone can have a finished sim, since the technology is not yet available to have a completely functional sim.

Regarding the rest of the recommendations.... they are wonderful :) Any volunteers to perform them????

Matt Olieman

[Bob Reed]

I appreciate all the comments and recommendations, but I must tell you the BOM thread is not the the area to make suggestions or recommendations regarding articles and specifically the BOM.

Being that said and regarding the BOM, the perception the BOM are only for builders that have finished their product is not true. I don't think we've had any BOMs that have a finished their sim. Actually I don't believe anyone can have a finished sim, since the technology is not yet available to have a completely functional sim.

Regarding the rest of the recommendations.... they are wonderful :) Any volunteers to perform them????

Matt Olieman

Hmmmm, Well there is the catch.... Someone to do it........

[No Longer Active]

I think you have to be something pretty special to get builder of the month, there are 5000 users or so, and there can be only 1 builder each month! So im thinking you have to really stand out above the crowd to be BOM and be producing something that deserves the recognition.

I think that builder of the month is mycockpits prize to give and not ours to give, so why dont we all just let mycockpit.org get on with it like they were in the first place!

Maybe one day one of us will get it and maybe we wont!

Everyone, just keep up the hardwork that you put into your cockpits, keep it going, keep it creative, carry on helping each other, and most of all, lets keep it fun!

We as one, and everyone of us are builders of the month, and every month that we carry on putting the hardwork and effort into our sims!

Please dont build your sims/cockpits just to be in the battle for builder of the month, we all want fantistic, realistic, fully functional sims, so just carry on building guys, do youre thing!

We are all builders of the month! I congratulate everyone on their hardwork!

And most of all, have fun! Keep flying! And i'll see ya at the airport! lol :)

Well done everyone, and really, dont worry about the BOM title! Your all BOM's on MyCockpit.org.

I solute you all!

Alex

[fweinrebe]

To me the BOM's are like the latest edition of the Popular Mechanics magazine (if not better than the PM). I just can't wait to see the next issue. Very inspiring. The monthly BOM post is of a high standard and a job well done.

Well done Rodney !!

[Efe Cem Elci]

I personally don't think we should bring voting into it as I like the way it is now. Although it took me a lot of searching back when i first going to conclude that the BOM wasn't determined in forum :D

If it was really wanted, there could be a BOY to be chosen by polling the members... from among the 12 BOMs. Once again, not something I personally would want. Makes it too much of a contest as opposed to a spotlight on yet another member of the family.

[ivar hestnes]

I think the builder of the month is very good part of this community. One of my favourites to read.

We are lucky and get to know the builders better, and see their project and plans in a nice way. Actually if the project is based on real stuff or homebuilt doesnt matter. The dream of a complete functional cockpit is still the same. I like very much to see projects based on real stuff because my project is based mostly of wood and aftermarket replica parts. Nothing beats the real thing;). And I am sure that the real stuff builders enjoy seeing wood-simulators the same.

It really doesnt matter to me if the featured projects are "finished" or only half done. Remember if building real stuff, collecting parts is a huge and time-consuming job. But I am sure that the builder of the month award also includes some of the candidates forum activity. A builder that contribute and help others are valuable. Bet that this is also a criteria, and it should be:). I am sure it is not easy to find a "worthy" builder of the month, every month. It would be a shame if the builder of the month should be voted on in the forums so everyone could see the voting process. What a bad idea. It does not feel good to be second, specially when it is your dream it is about. Should never rate people for their dreams. I think Michael does an excellent job to find a great candidate. Sure it is not easy every month.

An little thing to think about when people say that it is 5000 members here so it should be easy to find a candidate. Remember that only 10% of that 5000 members actually post a picture of their project now and then. Maybe as much as 50% of the members actually dont even have a project that they work on. This makes it really difficult to choose a builder every month. It is also many great projects out there that would deserve a show on NGC or Discovery channel. But how can we know? We see no pictures, and the members doesnt post, so we and Michael doesnt learn to know them in a way that helps select the builder of the month.

To be honored for your work is actually a very motivating thing. It really give you a push forward against your dream. It gave me my chance to tell the community more about myself. I am not "just an avatar on the forums" anymore. But you dont get famous, and there wont be screaming girls (I wish, lol) and autograph collectors outside the front door.

Keep up the good work with the builder of the month It is much appreciated:)

[warvet]

3 things to say first off Im laughing my *** off at Ivars always top notch sense of humor but nicely wrapped in kind sevility :) 2nd Matt just to clarify Im not sure where you got the impression I or anyone else even remotely hinted that the BOM should only go to someone who completed their sim, I think maybe you misread or misunderstood somewhere along. Because I agree 1000 % with you that these projects never end, I was merely referring that the project should have some building progress thats all I ws eluding too nothing even close to project completion. And thirdly it is my fault lol this conversation even began, I think the world of Michael and have an lncredibly deep respect for him as a builder and as a member of this community, I was simply thinking of a way to maybe help him with indeed as my friend Ivar stated very difficult decisions, but truly up until now has done a **** of a job. So anyone who got their panties in a bunch because of me opening a hornets nest, my appologies and feel free to smack me in the piehole when we come face to face ;) Otherwise Michael keep up the great job, glad its you and not me because truthfully I would have a **** of a time trying to make that decision. Guys like Ivar, Matt, Tevor, Nat, Brian, Andy, Maurice,Paul,Alex,Joe and the list is endless and everyone of these guys have exceeded my project and my capabilities and Im just proud to know them and watch their projects grow each day. So yes you guys truly are BOMs all of you. One thing I am not is a kiss A$$ to anyone and everyone who knows me is aware of that fact as a matter of fact Im farthest thing from, but what Im saying here is factual and needs to be said. So lets leave the BOM to the pro ;) and just build, learn and whine :) LoL

Tim

[Michael Carter]

An little thing to think about when people say that it is 5000 members here so it should be easy to find a candidate. Remember that only 10% of that 5000 members actually post a picture of their project now and then. Maybe as much as 50% of the members actually dont even have a project that they work on. This makes it really difficult to choose a builder every month. It is also many great projects out there that would deserve a show on NGC or Discovery channel. But how can we know? We see no pictures, and the members doesnt post, so we and Michael doesnt learn to know them in a way that helps select the builder of the month.



..."You guys should come up some time...you'd enjoy the show. You would, really...

JFK Ground Controller to every pilot on the frequency during a very screwed up ground flow sequence.

Sometimes it's like that here with BOM. Don't ask...;)

[PaulEMB]

Michael,

What happened to the idea of the current BOM suggesting someone who had inspired them?

May have been seen as a bit of a closed circle by some, but I think that it adds value, as there is a certain link between themes that helped us all along the way with our projects.

We all have short term aims and ideas sparked by other builders progress and ideas, and by linking them, it avoids the need for polls, democracy, or anyone to administer said polls.

I see nothing wrong with the idea of guys who spend loads at FDS, or any other supplier - some of you may remember the tale of Matthew with his 777 project that attracted huge interest at the time.

In any event, as others have commented, I hugely enjoy the Builder of the Month articles, as they give an insight, especially for new members, the process that we go through to progress our projects from dreams to reality.

[Michael Carter]

Having the current BOM select the next BOM doesn't always work out too well...and when it doesn't, I'm left holding the bag.

[Trevor Hale]

Having the current BOM select the next BOM doesn't always work out too well...and when it doesn't, I'm left holding the bag.

But you fill that bag so well Mike :)

The BOM is quite complex to choose, but you do have to have something special.. (Talent) and I think that everyone has a talent somewhere, some are like Tim (Warvet) with their visual ideas, and some are like (Brian W) with his amazing home building ability, and you know what.. Some are like Kennair with his amazing Yoke/ Drawer slider idea.

Everyone of us has a talent, and when the BOM Editor spots it, or another Member spots it, we exploit it.

Everyone can qualify for the bom, if you want to be the next, you need to submit pictures of your project in the gallery and be active in the forums.

Best regards,

Trev

[ak49er]

Someone so needs a hug, in such a big way.

It would be a start anyway.

Way to take the wind out of someone's sails.

Unreal.:shock:

[dc6driver]

Definition of Selfish

I wonder who's name we would find, probably the same name if you looked up Malignant Narcissist.

Fritz

[PaulEMB]

Thanks Mike,

I understand that in the end it falls to you to make the call, and my congrats for spending the time to do that.

Keep up the good work, and as in a magazine, any interesting content will raise comments - it shows people are reading the content!