EICAS screen

[JCosta]

Hi,

I am bulding a 737NG. I have mounted the MIP on it's stand. So far it looks great.
Despite that I have an issue to deal with. Î will install standby instruments (artificial horizon, altimeter and RMI). This means the space available for the EICAS creen is very limited.
Anyone knows where can I finf a 10,5" to 11" screen? I have been looking on sites but have not been sucessful so far.

All the best
JAC;)

[fordgt40]

Hi

Is it not possible to use a larger screen and have not only the EICAS but also the standby instruments provided by software?, or are you going the hardware route for the standby gauges

David

[DanGeorge]

I'm using one of these:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10-4-inch-Touch-Screen-Monitor-LCD-TFT-VGA-AV-Car-POS-/260701461393?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_Monitors&hash=item3cb3049b91#ht_2881wt_907

Stripped down, I've taken the casing off so it's just the screen left and it fits perfectly with the standby instruments. Bit of a shame to be buying a touch screen and not actually using this feature, but its the cheapest small monitor I could find.

Kind regards, Dan

[JCosta]

Hi David,

sure that can be done. But I want to install flight illusion standby instrument so I need to find a smaller screen to fit in the Eicas hole.

JAC

[JCosta]

Hi Dan,

Great, do you have peictures of your setup. If you have a picture of the screen and the standby dauges I would love to see it,

Best regards,
JAC

[Sean Nixon]

I'm also using stripped 10.4" monitors for both my EICAS screens. One problem with ordinary monitors is that they are designed to be viewed the right way up. When I turn the monitor 90 degrees to fit behind the MIP, the image almost disappears when viewed from one side, what would have been the bottom side. This makes it very hard for the FO to view the screen unless he moves his head, albeit, not by very much.

http://www.mycockpit.org/photopost/data/500/IMG_0440_Medium_.jpg

I may be able to get some more of these screens, I paid around £50GBP each.

[Nick1150]

I have the same screen like Sean for the lower EICAS only. I use a bigger screen for the EICAS including the standby instruments in it (other route).

I can understand that using separate stb instrumenrts is more realistic than a simple screen, but from my experience, using the smaller screen for the lower EICAS, I can say that those tiny screens DO NOT do the job well. For instance my lower EICAS screen shows all info that it is supposed to do, but in my opinion you have to try to see and understand all info, when on the other hand the resolution and quality of the bigger screen used for EICAS is very easy to see and read.

Another issue is that those tiny screens have problems with the resolution and MHZ frequences. I played around for a long time to finaly be able to fix the resolution and frequency of the lower EICAS screen which by the way is 59 MHZ.

In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3awqDPCh5M you can see both screens, and maybe you can unserstand what I am talking about.

So my opinion is that with the external stb instruments you win reality but you loose from the quality of the EICAS screen. Choosing the other route (bigger screen) it is the other way around, so pick one way or another, you win or loose something.

[fordgt40]

Nick

Excellent post

David

[JCosta]

I Sean,

I guess if the monitor is 10,4" that on horizontal position it would fit behind the MIP. On my MIP the hole for upper EICAS is 18x18cm. What are the measures of the screen in cm (widht and heith)?
What brand and model is the screen? Is it VGA standard? Price is good thaugh!

[Sean Nixon]

The dimensions are 245mm x 185mm. In my setup (Engravity), I only have 225mm between the standby instruments and the gear lever, so it doesn't fit without rotating it.

The monitor is labelled up as Vibrant, it is VGA standard with a native resolution of 800x600mm at 60Hz. In contrast to Nick's experiences, I find the output of these little monitors to be excellent. I've attached a photo, but bear in mind this has been reduced in both picture size and file size down to 39kb and 1024x768 for the purpose of posting. The original image is far superior, but I think this pic does the monitor enough justice. I also had none of the setup problems Nick experienced. It works just like any other monitor.

http://www.mycockpit.org/photopost/uploads/3900/IMG_0514_Large_.jpg

EDIT: here's a section of the full size pic...

http://www.mycockpit.org/photopost/uploads/3900/untitled2.JPG

[JCosta]

Nick & Sean,

Thank you for your help. It all make sense. Reason should be a factor to enable a fine balance. But sharing experiences is critical.
I followed the route of drawing and have my MIP laser cut. It is fine because a lot of money can be initially saved but you loose on accuracy.
Nick very nice video, fantastic setup. What is it? Engravity + PM?
Sean, nice photos

Thanks,
JAC:D

[Nick1150]

Nick & Sean,

Thank you for your help. It all make sense. Reason should be a factor to enable a fine balance. But sharing experiences is critical.
I followed the route of drawing and have my MIP laser cut. It is fine because a lot of money can be initially saved but you loose on accuracy.
Nick very nice video, fantastic setup. What is it? Engravity + PM?
Sean, nice photos

Thanks,
JAC:DHi Jac,

Thanks for your kind words :)

My setup is a mix of Cockpitsonic MIP, Flyengravity & CP flight hardware + revolution Simproducts TQ all together with PM software.

As far as your initial question, in my opinion you can't go wrong either way.... just decide which is the most important to you.

Thanks

[JCosta]

Nick,

Let me ask you a couple of questions:
1. what is the eight from the floor to the top of the MIP (just below the MCP)?
2. when you look at the MIP from the side - what is the angle the MCP face makes with the floor? it seems from photos that the glare shield is inclined to the ceiling of the cabin (closer to the pilots) but the face of the MCP makes 90º with the floor. Please clarify if possible.

Best regards,
JAC

[Sean Nixon]

If I may...

1. The height from the floor to the rear of the MCP (where it meets the MIP) is about 940mm. From the floor to the front of the MCP is 1000mm (all dimensions +/- a few mm).

2. The MIP is angled back 15 degrees from the vertical. The underside of the MCP is perpendicular to this, ie. 15 degrees from horizontal. The MCP face is parallel with the MIP, 15 degrees from the vertical.

This photo helps show the angles...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM---Royal/Boeing-737-8K2/0263112/L/

[JCosta]

Hi Sean,

Great info. Thank you very much. The photo shows it great detail.
I can proceed with my work.
Thanks,
JAC:)

[JCosta]

Sean,
The photo where you are sitting in a cockpit is that your setup?
I have been measuring my MIP height and it is around 900mm. I need to add 40mm to the base of it.
The width is 1505mm. Is this close to the reality?
Best regards,
JAC

[fordgt40]

JAC

If you follow this link, you should find all the dimensions you need

http://www.markuspilot.com/BOEING%20737%20MEASUREMENTS.pdf

Regards

David

[JCosta]

Hi David,

Thanks that is really helpful.
Regards,
JAC

[Nick1150]

Nick,

Let me ask you a couple of questions:
1. what is the eight from the floor to the top of the MIP (just below the MCP)?
2. when you look at the MIP from the side - what is the angle the MCP face makes with the floor? it seems from photos that the glare shield is inclined to the ceiling of the cabin (closer to the pilots) but the face of the MCP makes 90º with the floor. Please clarify if possible.

Best regards,
JACHi there,

Thanks Sean for your answer :cool:

[OmniAtlas]

iPad retina screen for $55 EmerytHacks: Connecting an iPad retina LCD to a PC (http://emerythacks.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/connecting-ipad-retina-lcd-to-pc.html)
The size is 9.7" with a resolution of 2048x1536! Will this work nicely for a lower EICAS screen?

[davemuir]

Hi jac
i have built my own mip and have used a 10 .4 monitor for the eicas
also I have used real guages for the standby instruments which will have servos fitted.
if you type in 1davemuir into youtube you can see the eicas panel .
Its a tight squeeze but it can be done
regards
dave

[JCosta]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for replying. I have tried youtube with 1davemuir but did not come across the video.
Anyway I have managed to sort it out.
regards,
JAC

[OmniAtlas]

Where did you purchase your lower EICAS screen if you don't mind me asking?

[JCosta]

Flight Deck Solutions - all my material with the exception of the TQ is FDS.

[OmniAtlas]

Sismo sells a CDU Bay for 190 euro - MIP Casings : CDU Bay (http://www.sismo-soluciones.com/index.php/shop/mip/mip-casings-stands/55-2013-08-20-detail) and with the LCD for 518 -- MIP Casings : CDU Bay with TFT (http://www.sismo-soluciones.com/index.php/shop/mip/mip-casings-stands/48-2013-08-20-detail)

I am wondering if it would be more straight forward to just purchase a complete solution

[JCosta]

probably so. Depends on your buget and what end result you are looking for.