727 MIP dimensions

[AVIATor-Olav]

Hi.

I'm planning to build a 727 sim and I thought I'd get the ball rolling by making a MIP. I've tried to get an original panel, but they're getting hard to come by it seems like. I'm planning to draw the panels using CAD, and then have them water cut in sheet aluminum once the drawings are done. My problem now is making the drawings as I have no refrence dimensions. Does anybody have any measurements? Drawings, or pictures with some dimensions would be very much appreciated.


Best regards
Tor

[AVIATor-Olav]

Ok, I've been able to model up a MIP in Inventor based on photos and bits of info I've found on the internet. It soon dawned on me that there is no such thing as "the 727 panel" as they're all different pretty much. Here's my rendition of it anyways.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/MIPAssy.jpg

These views show a bit more details like bezels etc.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/MIPAssy2.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/MIPAssy1.jpg

The panel is now 1524mm wide, which I think is pretty accurate, but I'm unsure of the height of the various panel sections. The diameters of the guages are also just guesstimates, so if anyone can shed some insight to this it would be very much appreciated

Thanks.

[1995Dada]

I have some, but I have to dig very deep in my documentation (it's all on paper:-().
So, I can help you, but you have to have a little patience.

[nax228]

Hei Tor-Olav
Take a look at www.oncealoft.com on the simparts page.
You can buy the whole MIP and OH if you want.

[AVIATor-Olav]

Hi nax228. I know that, the only trouble is I don't have $3000 to blow on a complete instrument panel. I wont need all the guages either, as I will use LCD's for my guages. Too much work interfacing all those analouge instruments. Would be sweet though. I'm thinking of getting an OH from them btw, but I'll try to make my own MIP. I've currently got the TQ on the drawing board, any dimensions for that would be appreciated as well.

[AVIATor-Olav]

I have some, but I have to dig very deep in my documentation (it's all on paper:-().
So, I can help you, but you have to have a little patience.

Hi 1995Dada.

Any input would be very much appreciated! :)


Thanks
Tor

[1995Dada]

Hi 1995Dada.

Any input would be very much appreciated! :)


Thanks
Tor

Hallo Tor,
I had not seen you made a new reply, while I was answering your first message :oops::smile:
Today I found the boxes I think the plans are stored in.
Tonight I will open up the first and look if there is something valueble for you inside.
Like the 727 and will follow this thread for sure!:D
Can't wait till you are going to build something!

[AVIATor-Olav]

Hallo Tor,
I had not seen you made a new reply, while I was answering your first message :oops::smile:
Today I found the boxes I think the plans are stored in.
Tonight I will open up the first and look if there is something valueble for you inside.
Like the 727 and will follow this thread for sure!:D
Can't wait till you are going to build something!

I wouldn't hold my breath! lol. This build is going to take a while!

Had a bit more progress on my TQ model this evening.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/TQ.jpg

I'm planning to build in my Saitek TQ for the throttles. Spoilers and flaps will have their own pots. Not sure what to do with the reversers!
Hopefully I'll think of something!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/TQ2.jpg

[AVIATor-Olav]

A bit more progress on the TQ model

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/TQ2503.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/TQ250.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/TQ2502.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/TQ2501.jpg

I'm just about ready to start cutting parts.
I really need some input on guage diameters for the MIP though.

[blueskydriver]

Email Joe at http://project727.xsn.net/ he is one of a few who have an ongoing project. Which sim version you using...FS9 or FSX? Which add-on? Suggest CaptainSim B727 add-on... Are you doing -100, -200, or cargo? You can make your own gauges to be shown on the lcd monitors using FS Panel Studio.

BSD

[AVIATor-Olav]

Hi BSD

I've tried to e-mail Joe, never heard back from him. Looks like I'm getting some dimensions from a different source though! :)
I'm using FSX, and I do have the CS 727 Captain. Lovely plane, but I'm not sure how well it'll work with a cockpit. I'm waiting for the DreamFleet 727 FSX update, if that comes with a 2D panel I might be able to use the guages from that. I've played around with the guages from the Richard Probst 727 panel in FS panel studio, so I have an Idea of how I'm going to set up the guages behind the panels. The CS 727 only comes with a VC, and I've not been able to display the guages in FS Panel Studio unfortunately.
As far as -100, -200 or cargo, I don't know. If I'm at all able to recreate a home cockpit that vagely resembles a 727 I'll be happy for starters! I think the -200 is my favourite.

Tor-Olav

[AVIATor-Olav]

Well, it's been a while since the last update. I'm finally happy with my MIP panels. After countless hours of studying photos, searchin the net for info and making quite a few guestimates I'm ready to have the panels cut. I've had to make a few compromises to be able to place all the guages and annunciators within my LCD's, but I don't think anyone will notice! :)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/Cockpitassy1.jpg

OH panel, autopilot module and a flight director from a real 727 should arrive tomorrow. Let the fun (and frustration I'd imagine) begin!

[AVIATor-Olav]

A few items arrived today! :)

OH panel
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0680.jpg

Sperry-50 Autopilot module and Collins flight director
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0681.jpg

Back side of the OH. I'm going to have some job interfacing this stuff:O Any tips and tricks is very much appreciated!
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0682.jpg

[LH784]

Congratulations.
For the wiring: the OH is pretty straight forward: remove the cannon plug holders and cutnthe cables. THen you can easily track the cables of the individual sub-panels the the respective switches. Usually you have more than one cable pair. Find the pair that belongs together (electrical connection when switched on) and connect the cables to your I/O card.
For the Lamps you have three cables: two to light the bulb and one for the push-to-test option. Connect the cables to your output cards, for the PTT cables you can collect them and connect the together to a permanently "on" output on the same output card (they share the GND with the "real" cable of the bulb. Consider replacing the bulbs by LEDs with the same base (cost approx €2,50 @ Conrad). The colour is colder (less yellow-isch), but the bulb does not get that hot and it will use considerably less electricity and the output card might be limited (I use OpenCockpits and the only work up to (I think) 1,5 Amps).

Good luck & enjoy,
Florian

[AVIATor-Olav]

Thanks LH784.

I've had a closer look at the OH, and I have a rough idea of how I'm going to interface lights and switches. I tried o connect all the backlights to a 19V power supply and they all lit up. I'm not sure about how to connect the rheostats though. I thought I'd connect all the cockpit lighting directly to a power supply via the rheostat switches on the overhead.
Do the LED bulbs you mention still operate on 28V or are their voltage lower? I also thought of getting a OC output card, do you connect your power supply to this card?

The Sperry-50 unit is probably going to be the hardest piece to interface. Not sure if I can make alle the solenoids kick in and release in the right places etc.

Thanks again for your help.

[LH784]

Hi,
be careful with the backlights. I power mine @ 5 V !
What I do is use an old PC power supply and really thick cables since the bulbs drw quite a bit of current. Then I regulate the backlighing using a relais. So it'sjust on or off. I don't know how the rheostats work, the compass control seems to be a potentiometer, the rest rheostats, but I cannot measure any variable resistances. So I will stick with on/off. What I want to do is replace the rheostats with potentiometers, so I can turn the know. I will use the poti as a switch - high resistance => switch open, low resistance => switch closed, that will work via my I/O card and drive my relays via the USB Output card. But if oyu find out how to use the rheostat, I'd be happy to know how.
For the bulbs: I use Best.-Nr.: 725842 - 62 from

http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/725842/LED-LAMPE-WEISS-24V-ACDC-BA9S-10X28MM/0212376&ref=list

There is also a 12V version. I am not sure which ones are more suitable. The 12 V can be driven by a PC power supply but will draw a higher current...I use the 24V version. And yes, I connect a 24V power supply to that card (I current have got three of them, they also operate my relays).
When I first opened my AP controller I tested 12V for the solenoids and it seemed to work, but I have not yet really started to interface it. But I think it should be possible to do it via relays, too.

Good luck and keep us updated.
Florian

[AVIATor-Olav]

Ok, thanks for the heads up! I thought all the lights in the OH panel originally operated @28V! I'll see if i can find a 5V supply somewhere.

What kind of cockpit are you building?

[AVIATor-Olav]

Hmmm, I'm a bit confused now. I tried to hook the panels up with 5V and absolutly nothing happens. I then tried 12V and I get a very weak illumination.

[LH784]

Well, me too. So far, the only item with backlighting different from 5 V is in my transponder, which needs 24/28V, the rest is 5V (Overhead, Nav/Com, FE panel...).
For me, the usual way is to test 5V, if nothing works, step up to 12V, then 24V. This way I hope no to smoke up my parts.
If 5V don't work for you, then it might be different with your special panel. But nevertheless, I think it is worth "working up the voltages" :-)
I am building a 727.
Regards, Florian

[AVIATor-Olav]

Thanks, I did try 5v first then 19. I'm sure it is 5v though, it says so on the back of the panels:/ I need to find a new powersupply, Maybe the one I have doesn't deliver the amps required to light the panels.

Cool that there are others building 727's:) How far are you into the build? Do you have a thread in here?

Tor-Olav

[AVIATor-Olav]

A small update.

I've worked on the window frames. A lot of angles and dimensions involved!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/Cockpitassy2.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/Cockpitassy3.jpg

I've finally started to physically build something too!! :)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0683.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0685.jpg

Sorry about the horrible picture quality.

I just realized, this is turning into a build thread, and it's very probably not in the right forum? Feel free to move it if so. If not, a lot of questions will follow I expect! ;)

[AVIATor-Olav]

I had the MIP's cut this evening:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0686.jpg
Fresh off the water cutter
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0687.jpg
Back in my basement
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0689.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0690.jpg
Had to try them in my cockpit structure! The gap between the engine panel and the F/O panel will make room for the landing gear lever and panel I have on order from GLB
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0691.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0692.jpg
Bezels
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0693.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/IMG_0695.jpg

[AVIATor-Olav]

Another update
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/CIMG0002.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/CIMG0001.jpg

I've started interfacing the OH panel. Back lighting is wired up
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/CIMG0005.jpg

Still need to have the round engine guage bezels made
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/CIMG0006.jpg

[LH784]

Your MIP looks cool :-)

[AVIATor-Olav]

Thanks Florian.

Still a long way to go, but it's up and running.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/CIMG0009.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a15/Paganize/CIMG0012.jpg

[AVIATor-Olav]

Hi. I've continued this build thread here: http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/showthread.php/24047-Norweigian-727-200-project