My Simworld MIP Panel Full Kit (Advanced) Arrived.

[zeineddine]

After some wait my MIP Panel kit from Simworld finally arrived. My first impression is "excellent packaging", compact and certainly done with care. I was very surprised to see it fit in such a small box considering I also have the metal frames included for captain f/o and center. Each part is carefully wrapped with protective cover and the backplates and panels are individually wrapped with stretch wrap and bubble wrap. Small components are wrapped separately. Good job! :D

I unwrapped and laid the parts out. I must admit, the quality is excellent. I had panels before that I never used, so I can actually compare one to one. The Simworld attention to detail and quality is remarkable. I'm really excited to complete this project now. There is so much to learn.

I'm attaching some pictures. I'll try to update this thread as often as I can with progress.

I already have my throttles from Revolution Simproducts (great product) and using Prosim737 on two networked computers (fantastic software). One full spec computer for FSX and the other for the avionics. I have a 21" touch screen for the lower EICAS and CDU's. I'm waiting for my Sismo Soluciones MCP and 2 EFIS along with glareshields and glarewings with master I/O card and other IO cards. I'll post pictures of the whole sim soon as it progresses.

cheers to all,
Rob.

[hark40]

I'll post pictures of the whole sim soon as it progresses

Congratulations Rob... looking forward to see these pictures joining all these sim-parts assembled as you mentioned and working with Prosim737... wooow! :p

Cheers,
Yub.

[nax228]

: I like:

Simworld have exellent products

[zeineddine]

I'm quickly realizing how good their product actually is. Most importantly, the support. That's the added-value that comes with the product. I gave Filip such a hard time trying to figure some stuff out. His professional and timely response has been outstanding with high quality that is really needed for a novice like myself. I'm still trying to find time to spend on it, so progress is slow, however, I just wanted to place a marker here for the superb support I've received from SimWorld so far and specifically from Filip.

Rob.

[zeineddine]

I just wanted to share some new photos. Got some work done the past two days ... Clocks look great, AFDS buttons push/bounce very nicely, have to place a 12mm board under the landing gear lever before screwing it in place. Put in the frames for the displays ... I think its looking great so far ... love it !!!!

[zeineddine]

Last week I got my Sismo Soluciones MCP, 2xEFIS, Glarewings and glareshield, along with IO cards, some knobs, and annunciators. The knobs I had before where unpainted so I got nice Boeing painted striped knobs and nice annunciators completely ready to plug. Juan at Sismo is a super helpful gentleman. He sent me documentation, plans and diagrams, and even did some setups ahead of time for my IP addresses to match my network. The guys at Sismo are very professional and very helpful. Juan responds very quickly and helps with everything including measurements and how to do things. Extremely important for a sim builder. HUGE VALUE!!!

Ok, so now I'm ready to place my top part for the MIP. I had to cut the SimWorld panel top section to level it so I can place an aluminum board that I cut to measurements right on top. I placed supporting angles on top of the panel and then my board. I cut openings in the board to support the cabling coming out of the EFIS, MCP, and glarewings.

The challenge was with placing the monitors inside the panel. I made supporting aluminum brackets for each screen and screwed it to the back of the panel for each monitor and used the screw holes for the monitor itself on the back that were used for the monitor stand to connect to the supporting brackets. Came out wonderful.

I got some amber lighting led strips now to do my backlighting. My next challenge is to do the IO connections for the panel with Sismo IO cards. Juan from Sismo said he's ready to help with scripts and setups. I know my software setups all work fine since I've been using them for a while with Revolution Simproducts throttle quadrants and avionics with Prosim737 ....

It's coming to life quickly now ..... I love the way it looks, can't wait to see it with backlighting and avionics running ...

cheers,
Rob.

[zeineddine]

More photos ...

[zeineddine]

More Photos ...

[hark40]

Great job!,

Was difficult to assembly Sismo Glareshield with Simworld items? I say this because everything seems to be from the same vendor ;) …awesome …

Congratulations!

[zeineddine]

Thanks. I got the major parts connected to my computers yesterday, throttle, comm panel, screens, flight controls ...etc and she did its first maiden flight from New York JFK to Newark . I will start now on the backlights and IO connections for the additional parts. The challenge was in connecting the landing gear lever to the panel. I had to make a special wooden base for it and widen the opening a little bit in the panel. I have some fin etuning to do on few things as well. So far, I love it ... Looking good !!! I'm attaching first photo with power connected and computers up.
Cheers
Rob.

[docmeister]

Thanks for the detailed progress on your build, you have provided some great infromation. I have just recently put an order in for the Capt/Center panels and I am looking forward to the set up.

[zeineddine]

Great to hear you're progressing on your project as well. You will find out that the precision on the Simworld panels is very accurate to a degree that sometimes the thickness of the paint inside a cutout might be in the way of something fitting in the cutout and you have to just scrape it slightly for it to fit. That's laser cutting I suppose. The display screens were my biggest challenge. I cut the top part and installed the glarewings and glareshield only to find out after installation that I did not make them at a 15degree inclination as in the real cockpit, so I took the top panel out and replaced it with a new one that has the exact angle and protrusion over the panel. I'm attaching a photo. Looks great now. The 15 degrees made a huge difference in seeing the MCP and EFIS properly and now is at a 90 degree with the main MIP panel which is like in the real cockpit I believe.

Good luck on your project ...
Cheers
Rob.

[docmeister]

After a slight delay due to a fault laser cutter, I finally received my goodies and you are absolutely correct, Simworld panels are great quality and Filip offers top marks in service. It looks like I will have to start my MIP build from scratch as the angles and sizes of my current build conflict with my new panels, Oh well time to break out the tools again :). This time I am planning on taking things slowly so it gets done right this time; I am still waiting on my lower panels and frame to arrive so I think I will start on mounting my MCP/EFIS. Im curious on how your wiring looks, any chance of a pic from the rear? thanks again for the info :)

[jumbo0]

I ordered Simworld's MIP aswell, and waiting for it. Where did your glareshield/wing?

[zeineddine]

I got my Glareshield and glarewings from Sismo Solucionnes along with the MCP and EFIS.

Have fun setting up your Panel ....

Rob.

[jumbo0]

Looks very Nice! Did you have to do a lot of work to fit the glarewing and shield? Because it seems like you had to be creative to get it mounted?

( http://www.mycockpit.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5395&d=1310367530 )

[zeineddine]

Thanks. Yeah, actually the photo I had posted before shows the aluminum base for the glarewings and shield leveled straight which is not how the glareshield is in a real cockpit. It is supposed to be at 15 degrees inclination upwards to make a 90 degree angle with the panel. I realized this after mounting it when I couldn't read the MCP very well. So I made another aluminum plate that is inclined and mounted it on top of the panel. The trick was in cutting the panel perfectly straight and placing angle brackets at the connections to mount the aluminum board.

[killerbee1958]

I was informed of this thread based on my thread on this forum about my cockpit build.
I have also decided to get myself the simworld mip with sismo shield/wings but from reading jumbo0's thread i was still struggling a bit with the mounting of the shield/wings on the mip.

This solutions look marvelous to me. INdeed with the angle how it should look.

But (sorry to be so direct and typical dutch about it) the plate would be even more perfect if it was made of the mip material and in the mip colour.

Now i read that all of you have great experience with Filip. Could we help Filip by giving him the details of this plate so he could make it part of his offering?

I am offering to be the first customer to buy it from them.
Any thoughts of how we could make this happen?

[DeckerZ]

Hey guys, I have found this post most interesting. I discovered recently it after I had ordered my Advanced Line MIP, Electronic Components and Annunciators from Simworld. I can't wait to start building, actually this is my second time around. I did own a second-hand MIP about 8 years ago, but it was made from MDF, and I never did get to complete the project. I have had some time to think about the project and the technology has advanced in the last 8 years. The MIP's now are aluminimum and are a lot more realistic with a powder coated finish. I have a flight deck solutions SYSx4 card to wire in all the annunicators and switches, which is so easy to use. I was initially thinking of Opencockpit as they have lots of cards available, but I didn't really want to start learning a programming language! flight deck solutions doesn't require any more than clicking and selecting values.

I already have a CPFlight RS232 MCP and 1 x EFIS, a Flight Deck Solutions CDU but I now need to think about the following:

Landing gear lever
Glaresheild Captain, Centre and First Officer
Glarewings, Captain and First Officer
Monitors to use in the MIP (have 3 x 19" Widescreen LCD's)

I know I will have to replace one of the 19" LCD's with a smaller ones to use in the centre for engines. Any recommendations on an actual monitor would be welcome.

Also, will my CPFlight MCP (85% scale) and EFIS fit into existing Glaresheild setups?

Thanks for any help.

Declan

[zeineddine]

You're very right regarding the material. It would be a very good complementary product for a Sismo/SimWorld combination. I am in communication with SimWorld regarding design plans and measurements of the plate.

cheers
Rob

[zeineddine]

Hi Declan. You might be able to mount the MCP, EFIS and Glareshield to the MIP directly. It is a bit of a challenge depending on the units themselves you have (which I'm not familiar with). I saw some pics from another sim builder "Simon" who did a great job connecting FlyEngravity Glarewings directly to the SimWorld MIP. Myself, I elected to cut the top and place a plate to hold the units. I used 2X19" Dell widescreen monitors and an older IBM 15" standard LCD monitor.

cheers
Rob.

[Lina737]

Hi Rob. I'm thinking of getting SimWorld MIP panel also. The pics you have look great. I'm still checking out my options for a whole design.
Lina

[hark40]

Hello Declan,

You can combine Sismo Glares with Simworld as Zeineddine made, because the MCP -EFIS from CP-Flfight fixes right well on Sismo Glares.

Take a look to these pictures. It is Sismo SST + MCP-EFIS from CPF.
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6660

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Hope this pictures help :)

[DeckerZ]

Thanks guys for your input. I just acquired a 12" monitor from eBay for £0.99 I'm hoping it will do for the centre screen of the MIP. I'll not knw that though until north the MIP and the monitor arrive.

[killerbee1958]

Hi Declan. You might be able to mount the MCP, EFIS and Glareshield to the MIP directly. It is a bit of a challenge depending on the units themselves you have (which I'm not familiar with). I saw some pics from another sim builder "Simon" who did a great job connecting FlyEngravity Glarewings directly to the SimWorld MIP. Myself, I elected to cut the top and place a plate to hold the units. I used 2X19" Dell widescreen monitors and an older IBM 15" standard LCD monitor.

cheers
Rob.

Rob,


How did you cut the top part? i have ordered the plate from simworld but must admit i am not looking forward to cutting through a perfect new MIP.
Can you please explain a little how you did it and where the cut needs to be made exactly?

[DeckerZ]

I received my MIP today and unpacked it. There are loads of toggles and pots of variable types. Has anyone wired up the AFDS switches. I haven't seen switched like them before, looks like 8 terminals. I could do with some help with connecting wires to them, and what expansion card are people using? I have a FDS SYSX4 card, so I'm hoping I can wire things into it. Thanks for any help.

[killerbee1958]

I received my MIP today and unpacked it. There are loads of toggles and pots of variable types. Has anyone wired up the AFDS switches. I haven't seen switched like them before, looks like 8 terminals. I could do with some help with connecting wires to them, and what expansion card are people using? I have a FDS SYSX4 card, so I'm hoping I can wire things into it. Thanks for any help.

Declan,

Seems you are about to embark on the journey (assembling the Full MIP with metal frame) like i have just travelled.
I have documented my assembly with picture and all to make it easier for others to perform the assembly.
If you are interested just drop me an email at killerbee1958 at hotmail dot com and i will sent you the doc.
Could be very interesting to see if you indeed find the documents helpfull.

Also i understood you already received information from simworld direct about the afds switches.
I guess you have figured it out yourself already but if not:
The Led is attached to the two outside terminals (L1 (plus) and L2 (minus)). The switch should be connected to terminal 2 and 3 (Normally Open) which are the two rightmost terminals on top of the switch (remark measure with a ohm meter as you may have mounted the switch upside down in the plate :) )
Other terminals are not used on this switch. Hope this makes it clear.

I have not yet begun to wire the MIP so i have not yet a doc with full wiring instructions but i will for sure make my wiring into a instruction manual also. perhaps we can share our experiences to improve this also.

I can not yet answer your question on the io-cards. I will wire the mip up first and then decide which io-card is required. In my case i will want it to interface to the PMDG 737NGx (for what it matters btw). There is much to choice from. Opencockpit cards, Sismo cards, Leo bodhar cars, FDS cards etc. I really have to wade through many threads i guess before i can make a informed choice. Will let you know when i am finished.

As a sidenote: Have you decided on how to mount the sismo glareshields/wings yet?
I have ordered the plate as Rob has made from simworld and will receive it shortly.

I am however a bit hesitant to cut into a new and perfect MIP so am considering selling this assembled MIp and ordering a new one from Simworld where they have already cut it.

on the other hand, i have invested already into a dremel so i might as well take the jump and just cut the MIP. I hope Rob will inform us how he dit it and specifically how he managed to keep the support brackets attached to the front of the MIP? (perhaps by cutting just above the one screw of the two center supports?)

[zeineddine]

Rob,


How did you cut the top part? i have ordered the plate from simworld but must admit i am not looking forward to cutting through a perfect new MIP.
Can you please explain a little how you did it and where the cut needs to be made exactly?

It certainly needs a combination of courage and some good expertise to do it. I had help from an engineer friend who is very handy in such things. Simply what did is the following:

1. Connected the panels to each other first to make sure they are aligned properly.
2. Used vice grips to hold the panels and make sure they stay in place perfectly especially right at the edges.
3. Drew a straight line along where the cut is to be made. (10mm from the straight top edge of the middle panel)
4. Removed the vice grips and disconnected the panels.
5. Used an electric hacksaw handheld tool at low speed to cut along the pre-drawn line. It should be on low speed to make sure the cut is accurate.
6. Filed the edge where the cut is made to make it smooth.
7. Installed angle brackets on the top edges where the panels connect to each other in order to place the top panel aluminum sheet.

The cut was perfect in a perfect straight line as you can see from pictures.

Hope this helps.

Rob.

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[killerbee1958]

Rob,

makes sense but one more question. When i was measuring the line on my mip it looks as if i have to cut below the lowest screw of the center mip, leaving the support bracket useless as it is no longer fastened to the center panel. Or did you cut above the lowest screw, that way keeping the bracket in use for ensuring rigidity to the whole MIP?

thanks for your answers anyway.

[zeineddine]

Rob,

makes sense but one more question. When i was measuring the line on my mip it looks as if i have to cut below the lowest screen of the center mip, leaving the support bracket useless as it is no longer fastened to the center panel. Or did you cut above the lowest screw, that way keeping the bracket in use for ensuring rigidity to the whole MIP?

thanks for your answers anyway.

I'm at the office now, I can take a measurement when I get home and send to you. If I recall we cut right in the middle of the lowest screw. They are not needed once the panels connect together. I'll take measurements from bottom to top for you later today.

[killerbee1958]

I'm at the office now, I can take a measurement when I get home and send to you. If I recall we cut right in the middle of the lowest screw. They are not needed once the panels connect together. I'll take measurements from bottom to top for you later today.

Thanks that would be appreciated. I will make up my mind also. Since the plate is on its way already i guess i just have to bite the bullet. I will probably cut just above the lowest screw of the center mip however

[DeckerZ]

Hey Killerbee1958, thank you for your input. I have spent this evening looking through the photos sent to me from Filip at simworld. I followed your instructions and soldered the 4 wires to the ADFS switches, well one switch to test it was gonna work with my FDS SYSx4 Interface board. The testing of 1 switch worked fine. I am well pleased with the result. I can't seem to get any photos uploaded here to show the wiring, but it worked fine. I haven't put together any other panels, but I just wanted to see if the ADFS switches actually worked. I am gonna try and focus on connecting the toggles etc to their respective panels, but my work on it will be slow as I don't have much spare time.

I would appreciate if you send me the document you are working on, it would be invaluable to me. My email address is decky _ green at yahoo dot co dot uk. Maybe I will be able to add some photos etc to it...

[killerbee1958]

I would appreciate if you send me the document you are working on, it would be invaluable to me. My email address is decky _ green at yahoo dot co dot uk. Maybe I will be able to add some photos etc to it...

I will sent the doc this evening as i am now in the office with no access to it.
I really appreciate you updating the doc with your experience. Your approach to first install all switches and electronics and then assemble the mip might for instance proof a better approach. I am intersted in your views on it.

[killerbee1958]

Rob,

I have been figuring it out this evening and i will cut the MIP.
I will receive the plate and am convinced this is a very good solution both from a perspective point of view and from a construction point of view (i will build some walls to support the plate btw)

One more question if i may. I have indeed found i need to cut just below the third screw of the support brackets of the middle mip leaving the center mip in fact unsupported in the top.
I am thinking of using the piece that has been cut from the bracket to fix on the now newer top part of the center mip. WIll need some tweaking as this interferes with the landing gear and yaw damper but i believe i will be able to fix this.
But i am very interested to learn how you did this?
Have you been fixing the support brackets to the center mip or did you leave them unfixed at the top?

I would really appreciate your view on this

[DeckerZ]

I have been working on some aspects of the MIP all evening. I have fully wired all the ADFS LED's and switches (6 of them). I have connected short wires to them so to make connection to my Interface card easier. I connected the microswitches to clock on the pilot side of the MIP and hot glues the switches in place as super glue just didn't hold. Take a look at some of the photos I have taken along the way.
https://picasaweb.google.com/101609291201202841906/MIPConstructionJune2012?authuser=0&feat=directlink

I ran onto a problem with mounting my monitors. I wanted to mount my 19" widescreen monitors and discovered there wasn't enough space horizontally, so I cut a piece of the MIP on the captain side to allow me to fit one of the monitors in. I haven't found a way to secure it, but I'm now sure it will fit. Killerbee1958 I have found your documents most helpful and referred to them many times this evening during my construction. I will be back working on it tomorrow, I hope. I am keen to finish the captain side and get the monitor secured.

[OmniAtlas]

I've been in touch with simworld and they have glareshields/wings for sale (not on their website) compatible with their MIPs. They are also bringing out to production an EFIS frame, and their own MCP for their MIPs in October.

[OmniAtlas]

Anyone have videos of their fully assembled simworld MIP with backlighting? They seem to be the most affordable route to building a fully functional MIP.

[gufau]

Hello,
I just read this topic with great interest and I commend you for your achievements.
What is it for these posts? I still have not seen glareshield for sale on the site ... OmniAtlas, what is it for sale on another site?
Finally, could you make the backlight and may you continue with pictures?
Thank you for everything

[OmniAtlas]

Their glarewings are now on sale here -- simworld - where simulation meets reality - Glarewings set (http://www.simworld.pl/shop/product_info.php?cPath=1_4_10&products_id=81)

[gufau]

Yes, they are. I saw it but I wonder if they are prefigured for mounting the "warning".

[OmniAtlas]

I think you have to use a dremel to make your own cut outs.

[gufau]

Hi Declan. You might be able to mount the MCP, EFIS and Glareshield to the MIP directly. It is a bit of a challenge depending on the units themselves you have (which I'm not familiar with). I saw some pics from another sim builder "Simon" who did a great job connecting FlyEngravity Glarewings directly to the SimWorld MIP. Myself, I elected to cut the top and place a plate to hold the units. I used 2X19" Dell widescreen monitors and an older IBM 15" standard LCD monitor.

cheers
Rob.
Hi,
I' always study for simworls and glareshieds. I saw the modl of simworld but i like very much the fds glare. In your post you talked about a sim builder who have connecting both. Could you remember where was these pics/topic ?

Best regrards,
guy

[DeckerZ]

Just wondering if everyone that has the prosimparts overhead panel are building their own frame for it, or is there a panel frame you recommend?

[OmniAtlas]

Filip from simworld has sent me some pictures of their aluminium stand.

Looks like they nearly have a complete package at a very competitive price!

The only big advantage I can think of with FDS and flyengravity is their integrated back lighting, or internal back lighting within the MIP itself.

How have you guys decided to backlight your panels?

[gufau]

Could you send me these pictures because I am studying the construction of the mine.

[nolatron]

Just wondering if everyone that has the prosimparts overhead panel are building their own frame for it, or is there a panel frame you recommend?

I built my own frame for my ProSimParts overhead.

Blue Skies - A 737 Cockpit Project (http://blueskies737.com/gallery/IMG_0203.jpg.html)

I'd love to get a metal frame for it but it's a $500+ gamble to whether the panels will properly line up on the rail holes.

[OmniAtlas]

Not too sure about ProsimParts but I believe the simworld OVH fit the FDS frames nicely. Home cockpit 737 update - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Fk06WHSgI)


I built my own frame for my ProSimParts overhead.

Blue Skies - A 737 Cockpit Project (http://blueskies737.com/gallery/IMG_0203.jpg.html)

I'd love to get a metal frame for it but it's a $500+ gamble to whether the panels will properly line up on the rail holes.

[OmniAtlas]

Could you send me these pictures because I am studying the construction of the mine.

Hi Gufau, I sent you the pics, lets continue our conversation here for the benefit of everyone.

I have asked simparts.de and they are unsure if their panels work with the simworld MIP -- hopefully all you need to do is drill holes for the correct fitting.

As for the CDU-bay, yes -- others have managed to fit a screen in place, you just have to flip it vertically, but there will be a little section sticking out.

I went on Red 5 Aviation flight simulator today -- VERY professional.

Here are some pictures -- https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10100354778058747.1073741826.2606602&type=1&l=981c65ebd3

And a video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxhldFeY-_0&feature=c4-overview&list=UUWX-4OUu5WaTg1OjCVethoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxhldFeY-_0&feature=c4-overview&list=UUWX-4OUu5WaTg1OjCVethoQ)

More videos to come!

[gufau]

Thank's OmniAtlas, it looks very good. He did not even put anything on the site ...

For Simparts, I hope it will, it's very good material, with backlight bulbs as in the true. Now the problem is that not Simworld 1x1 standards and when you want to install third-party components that are standards, there are concerns.

This is the problem to install a "cdu bay" because there is not enough space between the two "lower frame". So yes, we must move from the place reserved for cdu 2 and EICAS.

[OmniAtlas]

For Simparts, I hope it will, it's very good material, with backlight bulbs as in the true. Now the problem is that not Simworld 1x1 standards and when you want to install third-party components that are standards, there are concerns.



I think FDS is the only vendor which uses backlight bulbs? I know flyengravity are using LED lights. Regardless, please let us know how your project goes -- simparts panels with simworld MIP; I'll be going down this route as well if it works effectively. Cheers.

[gufau]

Yes, OmniAtlas, you are right, are not bulbs but "SMD LED" 180o. I had not watched enough features. The problem with this implementation is that the replacement of an LED is difficult ...

For the rest of my mip with panel Simparts.de: For security reasons I decided to take the backpanel and panel Simparts. To avoid the additional costs, I first started with a "MIP backplate DU" to see if it was adapted. This is the receipt and fitting that I realized Simworld did not meet the 1x1. In short, we must adapt. At this stage, normally panels must adapt because they rest on backpanel.

Oh, I forgot, Simworld gave me the "new" frame that are better adapted to receive the "glare". They are also with larger panels at the location holes.

For stands, I contacted Filip but I feel that the production is not yet available although he told me that if I wanted he could do ..

[OmniAtlas]

Hi gufau,

I've been in touched with filip and he says they are working on a backlighting kit, with an estimated time of 2 months.

I would wait if you haven't already bought your parts. Best regards.

Ben

[gufau]

Hi,
I have not yet ordered the parts because I'm in limbo with the announcement of Filip: new backplate with ci for the backlight.
However, I began to ask myself whether "any added" with eg "side" in addition, we will not get to "exceed" a "MIP Main-2 by FDS ...

regards,
guy

[OmniAtlas]

Looks like simworld may be going the way of CANBUS? Can someone explain this new system?

[petersm99]

Hello OmniAtlas,

I can only give a little explanation.
CANBUS is a system where one central brain controls all activity on the bus. This works with simpler wiring and ensures easy addition of extra modules. Another benefit would be that the CANBUS system is very lean in regard to data traveling on the bus since it will only pass on changes in state, so it will not constantly signal that a switch is in the on or off position but will only signal when the switch is operated. The CANBUS system also works great when adding logic modules, no changes to the whole system are necessary, only an updated driver should be sufficient to plug-in an extra module and use it as well. No user programming necessary (but also not possible)
AFAIK the CANBUS system is widely used in the automotive sector (BMW, Mercedes, etc) and I know it from BMW motorcycles. One aspect that is of some importance to know is that for the BMW motorcycles any defective module will be recognized as such by the central brain and taken off the bus rendering it inoperable. So a defective sensor or switch will be set to inactive and no longer can send any info on the CANBUS system, the advantage is that a defective part cannot destroy the rest of the connected parts or modules.
This is about as far as my understanding goes, the Web should provide you with plenty additional information. e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus

I do believe that use of CANBUS will provide many opportunities and will mostly benefit plug-and-play solutions making life easier for the builders.

I hope this helps,
Best regards,
Marc

[OmniAtlas]

Hello OmniAtlas,

as I do believe that use of CANBUS will provide many opportunities and will mostly benefit plug-and-play solutions making life easier for the builders.

I hope this helps,
Best regards,
Marc

thank you Marc - I heard it will also make it more affordable for the home cockpit builder?

[petersm99]

Hello OmniAtlas,

Glad I could help a little. Regarding the pricing, I have no idea whether it will be a cheaper solution or not.
The biggest advantage for the automotive sector is that less wiring is required and that the Canbus system is more stable and reliable. Personally I think that it will greatly depend on proper design, implementation and thorough testing.

Best regards,
Marc

[OmniAtlas]

Thanks Marc, do you think there will be any advantages over plug and play solutions like those offered by flyengravity?

i heard simparts.de is also going the canbus system way with prosim737 support. This is from what people have seen over this recent FS weekend.

[petersm99]

Hello OmniAtlas,

You are absolutely correct, Simparts from Germany has also developed their own Canbus interface.
I just did not get the chance to have an in-depth look at it due to time restraints and the stand being too crowded. I am glad that other visitors are adding info.

I do not know whether it will have advantages over the currently marketed P&P systems, however, Canbus is P&P and I do believe that companies will make the move towards Canbus. One major advantage that I can see is that whenever they want to add functionality, it is a matter of just adding the Canbus module and it should all function as designed, this versus making new connections, changing the wiring or having other difficulties trying to incorporate new functionality into existing designs. Adding extra parts to current P&P modules is no simple task I imagine. Canbus may make that a lot easier.

Best Regards,
Marc

[chrisdanker]

Ben , where is this sim?

[OmniAtlas]

Simworls has integrated canbus systems....they gave me a price quote for a full MIP...out of my reach for now

[gufau]

Hi OmniAtlas,

I sent an email to Filip after the announcement of his system "canbus" but still no response or anything new on the site.
Would you have more information?

Regards,
Guy

[OmniAtlas]

No, don't have much information about how the system works. Flilip just sent me a photo and a price for their MIP (backlit) with CANBUS integration.

[super2277]

Wait? soo canbus is the perfect thing for mounting all leds and all swtiches just in one board? and how do you program them? do you need resistor for the leds?
Simparts.de sell CANBUS Master Controller

[gufau]

"simparts.de sell CANBUS Master Controler"

Where, on them site ?

[super2277]

Here
http://www.simparts.de/epages/15465782.sf/en_GB/?ViewObjectPath=%2FShops%2F15465782%2FProducts%2FSYS-MCO

[gufau]

Thank's to you,
This is very interesting. In addition, they use a ethernet transport it's great! Simworld will be in usb
Now, we do not yet see on the site panels, etc that support this CANBUS ..

[OmniAtlas]

My only issue -- has anyone actually used the CANBUS system? I haven't seen any reviews online.

[super2277]

Do anyone know if the simparts MIP frame is working/compitable with the simworld panels?


Or should i build my own MIP frame? but what is the measurments for spacing betwheen each panel for the MIP?

[gufau]

There are new frame for some time. The openings are larger to accommodate new backplate and new panels.
When I bought my frame, Filip asked me if I wanted some old models or new.
Should now again asked him if this is still the case but there is no reason ...

[OmniAtlas]

I believe simworld sells their own frame. You have to personally inquire.

[gufau]

Well, it does not move quickly on the site

[OmniAtlas]

I figured with the way things are going and prices --Simworld: MIP with metal frame 800 euro Backlighting panels: 200 euroMetal stand: 100 euroComes pretty close to the FDS main MIP panel already, so I may just go with FDS.

[gufau]

Yes, it seem possible fot fds
Where did you get this information about simworld ? is it with the new system ?

[OmniAtlas]

Yes, it seem possible fot fds
Where did you get this information about simworld ? is it with the new system ?

I heard by email from Filip. The new canbus system is too expensive at the moment. Perhaps simparts (Germany) would be an alternative option? Their canbus system is on sale for 300 euro.

2014 will be an exciting year - all these vendors are bringing out new technologies.

[gufau]

When you say that the new system canbus Simworld is too expensive, is it your view or is that Filip decided to wait it out?
Yes, Simparts is very interesting but also very expensive too. We'll see with the new panels because currently there is not much on the site (as Simworld)

[OmniAtlas]

When you say that the new system canbus Simworld is too expensive, is it your view or is that Filip decided to wait it out?
Yes, Simparts is very interesting but also very expensive too. We'll see with the new panels because currently there is not much on the site (as Simworld)

The complete MIP with CANBUS is out of my budget.

[gufau]

Well, there is something new on the site and expensive ...
The question is whether those who started with boxed frame will implement the new panels

[OmniAtlas]

Yes, 7000 euro, over my budget.
The FDS full MIP will set you back 4000+ CAD including the electronics, and include the CDU bay.

[super2277]

How much does those vendors exacly earn? for buy the aleminum and parts and stuff like that cant cost above 2000 euro?

[OmniAtlas]

I do not know, but the simworld is probably more expensive because of the new CANBUS technology.

[gufau]

Yes, it's expensive but again you have to see if we can buy a modular fashion. (as simparts.de)

[gufau]

Well, it is difficult to have a lot of information from Simworld.
In fact, the Canbus system is intended for the purchase of P & P. MIP
The backlight is now possible for kits panels but boils down to a pcb position behind the backplate. It is on the pcb that is LEDs. The system resembles that of FlyEngraity.
For cons, I do not know if backplate are the same as those previously sold or he must purchase new ones that will adapt to the pcb.

[gufau]

Finally, has someone get the solution backlight Simworld?

[Leept]

I wish there was an easy solution for backlighting. I currently have simworld overhead panels/frame etc. Together and wired now but without gauges & backlighting. A DIY mip with the older open cockpit panels, that don't have backlighting.

Backlighting is the icing on the cake, but however not having it is like a christmas tree without lights!

Ive also heavily considered the FDS MiP bundle with electronics and CDU bay but including importation/shipping its over 3.5k Sterling.

Sim world panels are certainly spectacular in appearance but if there were to be a build in backlighting solution (MIP), then Simworld would have my purchase now, the P & P is too much for me also. Is there is a solution/tut for simworld backlighting?