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Steve Kelly
12-08-2004, 08:21 AM
Marc,

When I flew to Madeira last month, it was via oceanic airspace.

Why?

My thoughts are it must be cheaper than overflying France, Spain and
Portugal and paying their ATC charges. The extra time and fuel and oceanic
charges must be lower.

Could you plan a UA flight (EGKK-LPMA) and see which route is chooses. And
do you see costs?
Then send it via the Atlantic and see if the costs change?

Most airlines out of EGLL/EGKK overfly land, but the one I chose didn't and
I lie awake at night wondering why

My route was;

EGKK..SAM.UR8.DAWLY.UR8.GAPLI.UM197.GUNSO.UN486.OMOKO.T16.4500N/01600W.T16.4
000N/01600W.T16.NAVIX.T16.SNT..LPMA/0323

Which I put into my GPS and tracked all the way. The flight actually took
this route as I've got the saved track.
I didn't have the return flight plan, but it was basically inverted.

Aircraft was B737-800, airline was Excel Airways.

Looking forward to a good nights sleep.

Steve

Jaap Korteweg
12-09-2004, 06:10 AM
Steve,

Another reason could be slot times on the normal route, although at
this time of year those are normally not that dramatic...

Jaap


On 8 Dec 2004, at 13:23, oldfarts: Steve Kelly wrote:

> From: "Steve Kelly"
>
> Marc,
>
> When I flew to Madeira last month, it was via oceanic airspace.
>
> Why?

Steve Kelly
12-09-2004, 07:50 AM
Jaap,

Thanks for that, it might be the obvious reason I was missing.

Steve
p.s. It looks like you don't have a problem posting. I've still not had
my
message with the wrong e-mail address returned.



-----Original Message-----
From: oldfarts: Jaap Korteweg
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Sent: 09 December 2004 10:12
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Subject: Re: Flight plan question

From: "Jaap Korteweg"

Steve,

Another reason could be slot times on the normal route, although at
this time of year those are normally not that dramatic...

Jaap


On 8 Dec 2004, at 13:23, oldfarts: Steve Kelly wrote:

> From: "Steve Kelly"
>
> Marc,
>
> When I flew to Madeira last month, it was via oceanic airspace.
>
> Why?




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