KLM accident in Barcelona

[null null]

Hello Jaap,

Do you happen to know waht caused the KLM B737-400 accident in Barcelona,
on
November 28th? (Swerving off Runway 25R on landing)

Stamatis

[Steve Kelly]

Hi Stamatis,

While awaiting Jaap, I did a quick Google to see if there was anything on
the web.

http://www.b737.org.uk/accident_news.htm

Quite a lot of photo's of it here
http://myaviation.net/search/search.php?specialsearch=ACCIDENT

ACK-CHOO-ALLY, I did check out simpilot.net as they are the galactic
authority on aviation, but no mention. Headline is "Malaria in Dominican
Republic". I wonder if the World Health Organisation is aware?

Steve

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From: "Stamatis Vellis"

Hello Jaap,

Do you happen to know waht caused the KLM B737-400 accident in Barcelona,
on
November 28th? (Swerving off Runway 25R on landing)

Stamatis



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[null null]

Thanks Steve.
But even the link says: "It remains unclear what caused the problem."

Stamatis





"Steve Kelly" wrote in message
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> Hi Stamatis,
>
> While awaiting Jaap, I did a quick Google to see if there was anything on
> the web.
>
> http://www.b737.org.uk/accident_news.htm
>
> Quite a lot of photo's of it here
> http://myaviation.net/search/search.php?specialsearch=ACCIDENT
>
> ACK-CHOO-ALLY, I did check out simpilot.net as they are the galactic
> authority on aviation, but no mention. Headline is "Malaria in Dominican
> Republic". I wonder if the World Health Organisation is aware?
>
> Steve
>
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>
> From: "Stamatis Vellis"
>
> Hello Jaap,
>
> Do you happen to know waht caused the KLM B737-400 accident in Barcelona,
> on
> November 28th? (Swerving off Runway 25R on landing)
>
> Stamatis
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[Steve Kelly]

Stamatis,

Did you read the part starting,

"An unverified source (on PPRuNe) gave the following information:"

Dum-de-dum etc.


Still not 'the' answer, but if you follow the links, it 'might' have been a
bird strike damaging the nose gear. But I hate speculation, so will stop
before I accuse myself of it :-)

Steve




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Subject: Re: KLM accident in Barcelona

From: "Stamatis Vellis"

Thanks Steve.
But even the link says: "It remains unclear what caused the problem."

Stamatis





"Steve Kelly" wrote in message
news:275590.54727@wb.onvix.com...
> Hi Stamatis,
>
> While awaiting Jaap, I did a quick Google to see if there was anything on
> the web.
>
> http://www.b737.org.uk/accident_news.htm
>
> Quite a lot of photo's of it here
> http://myaviation.net/search/search.php?specialsearch=ACCIDENT
>
> ACK-CHOO-ALLY, I did check out simpilot.net as they are the galactic
> authority on aviation, but no mention. Headline is "Malaria in Dominican
> Republic". I wonder if the World Health Organisation is aware?
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldfarts: Stamatis Vellis
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> Sent: 09 December 2004 12:15
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> Subject: KLM accident in Barcelona
>
> From: "Stamatis Vellis"
>
> Hello Jaap,
>
> Do you happen to know waht caused the KLM B737-400 accident in Barcelona,
> on
> November 28th? (Swerving off Runway 25R on landing)
>
> Stamatis
>
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[Jaap Korteweg]

Stamatis,

I haven't heard anything official, but the birdhit causing damage to
the nosewheelstrut seems like a logical explanation.
By coincidence we were on the way to Toulouse when we heard Maastricht
ACC talk to the Barcelona flight, to tell them that the runway in
Amsterdam was checked, and that only small fragments of bird were
found. That's normal after an aircraft had a birdhit. Laughing the
pilot replied that the biggest part of the bird must then still be on
board.
I can imagine that the bird (a buzzard) caused damage to the steering,
maybe it was stuck in one position. At high speeds you have sufficient
rudder force to keep the aircarft on the runway. Once the aircraft
slows down...
But it also could easily be that the bird had nothing to do with it.

I was in Barcelona a week later, and saw the aircaft on jacks, like in
the pictures. The damage seems minor, but I heard they're not sure if
it's a total write off or not. Are you looking for cheap cockpit parts?
;-)

Jaap



On 9 Dec 2004, at 13:14, oldfarts: Stamatis Vellis wrote:

> From: "Stamatis Vellis"
>
> Hello Jaap,
>
> Do you happen to know waht caused the KLM B737-400 accident in
> Barcelona, on
> November 28th? (Swerving off Runway 25R on landing)
>
> Stamatis

[null null]

Hi Jaap,

> Are you looking for cheap cockpit parts?

In this case I could be looking for a cheap... B737-400!

Stamatis


"Jaap Korteweg" wrote in message
news:275741.54727@wb.onvix.com...
> Stamatis,
>
> I haven't heard anything official, but the birdhit causing damage to
> the nosewheelstrut seems like a logical explanation.
> By coincidence we were on the way to Toulouse when we heard Maastricht
> ACC talk to the Barcelona flight, to tell them that the runway in
> Amsterdam was checked, and that only small fragments of bird were
> found. That's normal after an aircraft had a birdhit. Laughing the
> pilot replied that the biggest part of the bird must then still be on
> board.
> I can imagine that the bird (a buzzard) caused damage to the steering,
> maybe it was stuck in one position. At high speeds you have sufficient
> rudder force to keep the aircarft on the runway. Once the aircraft
> slows down...
> But it also could easily be that the bird had nothing to do with it.
>
> I was in Barcelona a week later, and saw the aircaft on jacks, like in
> the pictures. The damage seems minor, but I heard they're not sure if
> it's a total write off or not. Are you looking for cheap cockpit parts?
> ;-)
>
> Jaap
>
>
>
> On 9 Dec 2004, at 13:14, oldfarts: Stamatis Vellis wrote:
>
> > From: "Stamatis Vellis"
> >
> > Hello Jaap,
> >
> > Do you happen to know waht caused the KLM B737-400 accident in
> > Barcelona, on
> > November 28th? (Swerving off Runway 25R on landing)
> >
> > Stamatis
>
>