PMDG vs PM

[whoispankaj]

Hi All,

Just wanted to know the PM 737 Flight model compares in relation to PMDG..Or may be how realistic is the PM flight model for 737..

Pankaj

[Trevor Hale]

Pankaj,

It is very difficult to compare the two Items as you are doing.

You need to look at the options here and what you get. For instance for $50.00USD you can Buy PMDG Aircraft. Everything will operate in a very accurate depiction of how the real 737 Operates. You can interface the PMDG aircraft to your cockpit using Keyboard commands through various interface boards. You can pull some outputs from Flightsim for very few indications like Gear Up/Dn etc. However, Your system logic for the PMDG is limited when it comes to interfacing the simulator to your cockpit.

Project Magenta, is currently being used in Commercial Training devices all over the world. By networking multiple computers you can achieve Separate displays inputs and outputs that will be directly controlled through the software. Think of it as a Direct link from your hardware to Project Magenta . Project Magenta Will in fact run you in the thousand dollar range.

You need to see what you can afford. Picture the analogy, You can buy the Corvette or the Chevette.

A Chevette will get you from Home to the Store and Back. So will the Corvette, which would you rather drive?

Both Software is Accurate and Real. One is limited to what you can do to interface it to your hardware, the other is unlimited.

Hope that sums it up. Depending how advanced your cockpit will become, should tell you which software you require. There are some very advanced simulators on this site using PMDG as the platform. Westozy's cockpit is very advanced running PMDG all from one Computer.

You will have to look at your options, but don't think for a minute that they are even close to the same product. If you were talking to a motorcycle gang all driving Harley D. and you yelled to them Nice Honda, you probably wouldn't walk again LOL.

Best regards,

Trev

[Michael Carter]

I think what he's really asking is how the flight dynamics are between the two.

How acurately is each aircraft's flight characteristics modeled?

Unless you are rated in the aircraft there is really no telling how acurate they are.

I've never read on the PM site that any of their software was developed with rated 737 personnel to critique or help in developing the flight model.

Not to say they didn't, I've just never seen any mention made of it. For what they charge for the software, I would think they'd have a squadron of 737 flight crews working on PM.

[Bob Reed]

Well if that is what he asking PMDG wins. PM does not have a flight model. In fact most of us PM users are using the PMDG flight model. It is the flexibility and realism and the system logic you get from PMSystems that we all like. PM works with a lot of flight models.

[whoispankaj]

Thanks guys for your input.Yes thats what i was asking..Just looking to understand which of those both had realistic flight model...Now since PM does not have a flight model then the answer is obvious..So basically interface the systems using PmSystems and use the PMDG Flight model...

[Bob Reed]

Well that is the basic idea, but... there is more to it then that. If you look on this site for Westozy, you will see a gent who has built his entire sim from just PMDG. You might want to look at that. To use PMDG and other air craft (the ones that have there own AP and do not use FS's) have to have there panels removed to work with PM.

[whoispankaj]

Yeah i remember this guy...The Flight Deck Technology sim boards fan...

[Westozy]

I use PMDG all the time but I still think the Kittyhawk 737 has the best flight model.
http://www.flywestwind.com/Hangar/aircraft_display.asp?AircraftID=65&SimType=MSFS%202004&Category=All

It's really good...

Gwyn

[Bob Reed]

That be him! Take a good look at his project in the Gallery..... If I where just starting out, for the first time, I might go this way myself!

[whoispankaj]

I use PMDG all the time but I still think the Kittyhawk 737 has the best flight model.
http://www.flywestwind.com/Hangar/aircraft_display.asp?AircraftID=65&SimType=MSFS%202004&Category=All

It's really good...

Gwyn

I did try this aircraft now.But frankly I am not impressed with the Flight model.
It still seems to me like the default FS Flight model.Very unstable and not uncontrollable ..Tough to fly this model manually...Thanks for your input Westozy...Will definitely ping u on Sim Boards...

[NicD]

Theres' another guy (Ian Sissons) who's used PMDG extensively to build his pit as well - lots of good advice anbd tutorials on his site: http://www.737ng.co.uk/index.htm

[Peter Dowson]

Just wanted to know the PM 737 Flight model compares in relation to PMDG..Or may be how realistic is the PM flight model for 737.

What "PM 737 flight model"? AS far as I know there is none. I use the PMDG model with PM, with a few little modifications suggested/incorporated by Thomas to make it work better with PMsystems. Before that I used a model developed by Stamatis Vellis, which was excellent in FS2002. For FSX the default 738 modelling isn't anywhere near as bad as most MS models have been.

PM provides instrumentation and advanced automatic flight capabilities, plus the subsystems via pmSystems, but no aircraft models that I know of.

Regards

Pete

[whoispankaj]

hi Peter,

Thanks..I was not aware that PM does not have a flight model..I was of the understanding that it had one along with the systems logic and glass cockpit.
I had seen posts where people opted for the two options:
1) PMDG + PM
2) Entirely PM

So i thought it had one.But I was made aware of the people of this forum that it does not have one.Thanks for your input Peter.

Pankaj

[whoispankaj]

Theres' another guy (Ian Sissons) who's used PMDG extensively to build his pit as well - lots of good advice anbd tutorials on his site: http://www.737ng.co.uk/index.htm
Thanks Nic it is a good and informative site...

[Peter Dowson]

I had seen posts where people opted for the two options:
1) PMDG + PM
2) Entirely PM

I think in the former case they mean they use the PMDG model, and possibly some of the PMDG panel (with the 737 I seem to remember there was a patch to allow it to be partly used without the Autopilots conflicting), and in the latter case they'd be using the default FS 737-400 model or some variation on that or another 737.

Regards

Pete

[mauriceb]

I use the PMDG model with PM, with a few little modifications suggested/incorporated by Thomas to make it work better with PMsystems.
Pete

OK Peter, now you've triggered my curiosity :D. What modifications did Thomas suggest? Is that info anywhere on the PM website?

Thanks,
Maurice