When the Job becomes Dangerous...

[dodiano]

Well a few considerations about the previous posts, I seriously doubt that it was the co-pilot that landed this plane. Most airlines have regulations that in case of rough X-winds landings only the Captain is allowed to land, simply because they are the only ones who have 'severe' X-wind training.

And for all of us, it is easy to give critics on should or should not. If you look at the video, it is 1 extreme gust that blows the plane to the side up until that point the pilot was perfectly in controll. My two cents, little damage, no injuries, **** happens so credit to the pilot's (whoever was in controll)

Yupe most AIRLINES have that regulations about landing with certain wind parameters... On my Airline Pilot Flying, Pilot not flying... Unless Captain feels uncomfortable with the person aside he can ask for the controls is his plane it happens but rarelly... Trust me I have made several X-wind landings on the same plame with Gust of up to 30kts but never 48kts... is in the Books... that was a go-around period it was a bad call that cost a wing and almost the aircraft guys... And you are right a final gust was the one that threw that plane... But you are right we shouldn´t judge and teh girl was Flying LOL!!

Regards,

ROBERTO

[Goose]

I don't know when she got her first certificate but at age 24, flying A320 for Lufthansa?
But from my point (without any knowledge about her carrier) I think she is a goo pilot. Age 24, flying for Lufthansa an A320... And i think the experience she got during this landing, will help her to in carrier.

I agree, don't judge her.

[dodiano]

I started flying the Bus Age 25 buddy... Age doesn´t matter it was a bad call from where I stand...

Roberto

[Goose]

What are you flying? A320?

[AndyT]

How long does it take for the engines to spool back up? Looks to me like whoever was flying decided to go around before they hit. 3 or 4 seconds before at least. I can see the debris and stuff flying off the tarmac behind them as the engines come up for the Go Around. Maybe it was a bad call, but at least they tried to get her back in the air before the incident happened.

[Goose]

Up to 7-8 seconds before they get full thrust. Or am I wrong?

[AndyT]

Count backwards from the wing smash to see where the decision was actually made at. Quite a bit before they hit.

[dodiano]

Yupe I fly the A320 almost 3000 hours on the bus... It spoold up fast to TOGA like 4 to 5 seconds it is fast the older planes took a bit more... In the meantime the engines are thrusting up...

[AndyT]

Ok, so overcoming inertia and spooling up takes maybe 6-8 seconds. So count back and see when the pilot decided to TOGA.

[Matt Olieman]

Spooled up after left wing touched ground. They screwed up by not following procedures.

You guys are not looking at the aerodynamics of this.... Like I said before, it has nothing to do with an air gust. She YAWED the aircraft to the left, stalling the left wing. Yes there was a 40+ crosswind, but that's not the reason the wing touched the ground. Same when the right wing touched the ground, she yawed the aircraft to the right, stalling the right wing and at the same time increasing lift on the left wing.

It's all about procedures, procedures, procedures and more procedures. For those of you who have a pilot certificate, you know, flying is about procedures and when you don't follow them, you're coming down.

I hope this topic is not about blame, it's about, how did this happen. She recovered out of a difficult and dangerous situation, I congratulate her on that, but both pilots did not follow procedures.

And, yes, I've done my share of crosswind landings (extreme ones), not in any large aircrafts.

Matt O.