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    I'm glad I still have steam guages...
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    Hmmm...steam guages do have some advantages....

    Roberto, thanks for the information. Is it difficult for the pilot flying in this scenario to read his own ND as well as that of the other pilot, so he can keep track of the two VOR's? It sounds a little cumbersome - maybe it is something that is done so rarely that there is no need to make it easier (e.g. by allowing the PF to switch his VOR display from NAV1 to NAV2?)

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    I'm not familiar with Airbus aircraft, but isn't there even one analog RMI indicator in the MIP?

    I don't know that it could ever happen, but what if some failure occured that took out the displays or the electronics that provide the displays?

    Just wondering.
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    Yes, that's right - there is a DDRMI.

    I am not familiar enough with that instrument to be sure but I did not think that it could be used to show course deviation from two different radials of two different VOR's. It sounds like it will only give the same functionality as what can be put into a single ND - so from that point of view, it is a good backup instrument.

    Maybe I am missing something though....

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    Just one thing- dont forget that in the PM Software (at least in the PMRJ) there is an option box when you press ESC that gives you the choice to run as CAP or FO display. That might allow the two to be seperate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boeing Skunk Works View Post
    Not really, but I always like to have the second radio tuned to the next station and for the DME if available.

    It also tells me when it's time for a course change. Most of you guys don't have to deal with this as extensively as I do.
    Mee too, since I am working without a FMC and am pretty much hand flying the routes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanf View Post
    Hmmm...steam guages do have some advantages....

    Roberto, thanks for the information. Is it difficult for the pilot flying in this scenario to read his own ND as well as that of the other pilot, so he can keep track of the two VOR's? It sounds a little cumbersome - maybe it is something that is done so rarely that there is no need to make it easier (e.g. by allowing the PF to switch his VOR display from NAV1 to NAV2?)

    thanks,
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    Actually we don`t use VOR`s to navigate that is just not the way it is done anymore in the Bus... I mean VOR´s are used but by the FMGC that triangulates positions with VOR stations, IRS and GPS but I mean we only use our HSI display to intercept radials during departures and to check for Holdings etc... as a cross check or what we call Raw Data check as well as for VOR approaches of course! But just as a Backup! Plus you have 2 guys in the cockpit if needed to be flying your VORS we could make cross checks and the other guy help you navigate...and you have the Needles shown in your diisplay for both VOR`s as I mentioned before.. Just like the DDRMI! Then again I´m sorry to say but VOR navigation is a thing of the past all new commercial airliners and even the newer GA planes do not use needles anymore everything is GPS or VOR triangulated navigation with IRS and GPS we simply follow lines through a Flight director !

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    LONG LIVE NEEDLES!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boeing Skunk Works View Post
    LONG LIVE NEEDLES!
    HEHEHEHE Some how I knew you would have some sort of response like that!
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    Airbus

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