New Beta Cdu release 393a

[michelmvd]

Hi Jan,
Here is all the info from fltplan.
B. Rgds
Michel

FLIGHTPLAN:
AWY POS FREQ FL MT DIST TME ATO ETO ETA EET FUEL FOB RFU
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EBOS 0,00 ..../..../..../0,00 0,00 /.....42,20
SASK2S SASKI F077 319 027,2 0,04 ..../..../..../00.04 1,30 /.....40,90
UL179 GILTI F118 278 016,7 0,02 ..../..../..../00.06 1,99 /.....40,22
UL179 ERING F154 276 016,6 0,02 ..../..../..../00.08 2,60 /.....39,61
UY76 KOPUL F192 264 018,0 0,02 ..../..../..../00.10 3,23 /.....38,98
UL610 GILDA F233 283 021,0 0,02 ..../..../..../00.12 3,91 /.....38,30
UL620 MID 114.00 F327 238 056,0 0,05 ..../..../..../00.17 5,44 /.....36,77
UR8 SAM 113.35 F373 261 027,9 0,02 ..../..../..../00.19 6,05 /.....36,16
* TOC KAPEX D-010
UN621 KAPEX F390 232 025,5 0,02 ..../..../..../00.21 6,52 /.....35,69
UN621 BEVEL F390 201 016,5 0,02 ..../..../..../00.23 6,79 /.....35,41
UN621 MARUK F390 201 010,7 0,01 ..../..../..../00.24 6,97 /.....35,24
UM195 LORKU F390 215 021,8 0,03 ..../..../..../00.27 7,32 /.....34,88
UN866 GOBUR F390 218 047,5 0,06 ..../..../..../00.33 8,13 /.....34,08
UN866 TITUB F390 217 035,9 0,04 ..../..../..../00.37 8,72 /.....33,48
UN866 BERAD F390 216 035,2 0,04 ..../..../..../00.41 9,32 /.....32,88
UM30 QPR 117.80 F390 197 021,3 0,03 ..../..../..../00.44 9,69 /.....32,51
UM30 ERWAN F390 204 128,6 0,15 ..../..../..../00.59 11,78 /.....30,43
UM30 LOTEE F390 202 081,1 0,09 ..../..../..../01.08 13,09 /.....29,11
UM30 VES 112.40 F390 192 066,3 0,08 ..../..../..../01.16 14,15 /.....28,05
UN872 KORET F390 211 051,4 0,06 ..../..../..../01.22 14,97 /.....27,23
UN872 BARKO F390 211 039,9 0,05 ..../..../..../01.27 15,62 /.....26,59
UN872 RALUS F390 210 017,6 0,02 ..../..../..../01.29 15,90 /.....26,30
UN872 CANAR F390 210 036,7 0,04 ..../..../..../01.33 16,50 /.....25,71
UN872 VIS 113.10 F390 209 044,0 0,05 ..../..../..../01.38 17,23 /.....24,98
UN872 ABETO F390 209 019,3 0,02 ..../..../..../01.40 17,54 /.....24,67
UN872 FTM 113.50 F390 208 050,1 0,06 ..../..../..../01.46 18,36 /.....23,84
UN872 ESP 112.50 F390 209 081,3 0,10 ..../..../..../01.56 19,70 /.....22,51
UZ4 NAKOS F390 200 026,4 0,03 ..../..../..../01.59 20,12 /.....22,09
UZ4 BAROK F390 200 126,5 0,15 ..../..../..../02.14 22,24 /.....19,96
UN873 BENTU F390 223 100,2 0,13 ..../..../..../02.27 23,96 /.....18,24
UN873 NEVEL F390 222 121,2 0,15 ..../..../..../02.42 26,00 /.....16,21
UN873 MITLA F390 222 124,3 0,16 ..../..../..../02.58 28,11 /.....14,09
UN873 SAMAR F390 222 029,9 0,04 ..../..../..../03.02 28,60 /.....13,60
* TOD ENETA D-093
D03L ENETA F126 197 181,3 0,23 ..../..../..../03.25 30,78 /.....11,43
D03L *Proc F126 0,00 ..../..../..../03.25 30,78 /.....11,43
D03L D196J F045 244 029,5 0,05 ..../..../..../03.30 31,06 /.....11,15
D03L D208H F039 340 002,7 0,00 ..../..../..../03.30 31,13 /.....11,07
D03L LPC 115.00 F017 027 008,0 0,01 ..../..../..../03.31 31,19 /.....11,01
GCLP 0,00 ..../..../..../03.31 33,17 /.....9,04
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[JWS]

Hi guys,

did a test from LOWI to LIRF. Entering/changing a STAR screwed the route the first time. Tried again and had more luck. But I wonder what the correct sequence is. I start with Rwy's on RTE page (destination ariport as well), then DEP/ARR page to enter SID, then back tot RTE page for route (up to entry waypoint STAR), then STAR on DEP/ARR page.

Flying the route went well but the a/c kept busting every speed restraint in the book. Noticed a Deceleration point prior to the TOD. Plane went back to about 240 knots. After TOD speed went up and up. Had to disconnect A/T to get things under control again.

And other problems still remain: unable to enter decimal distances on FIX page, V/S 6000 if one hits the V/S button, entering approaches results in waypoints that are a few hundred (up to thousends) miles away.

I'll run some tests using the EBOS-EGKK route, mentioned earlier this thread by Michel.

Best regards,

JWS

BTW, it is probably me being dumb, but there is a small white pointer on the speed tape, what does this indicate?

[Peter Nielsen]

Hi guys,

did a test from LOWI to LIRF. Entering/changing a STAR screwed the route the first time. Tried again and had more luck. But I wonder what the correct sequence is. I start with Rwy's on RTE page (destination ariport as well), then DEP/ARR page to enter SID, then back tot RTE page for route (up to entry waypoint STAR), then STAR on DEP/ARR page.

On the RTE page, enter the route, via waypoints or airways.
once this is done, go to PREF and set up weight,fuel, flight level. winds, temp etc, then to the take of page and set Flaps and Speeds.

Then go back to RTE page and enter the Runway for the DEPARTING airport only and THEN the STAR for the departing airport only.

There is no point in doing this earlier as you will only learn the rwy in use and SID from Clearance Delivery when you ask for an IFR Clearance by which time you already as a norm would have entered your actual route.

Also to enter destination rwy and STAR from the outset is not realistic, as this can change with changes in wheater.. hence the use of ATIS which you can tune into some 150 or more miles from arrival airport and plan your approach accordingly.

This way there will be no need to change STAR's except if the weather changes whilst on approach.

Peter

[JWS]

Also to enter destination rwy and STAR from the outset is not realistic, as this can change with changes in wheater.. hence the use of ATIS which you can tune into some 150 or more miles from arrival airport and plan your approach accordingly.

This way there will be no need to change STAR's except if the weather changes whilst on approach.

Peter

Peter,

thx. About "realistic". MSF isn't all that realistic, since you won't get ATIS untill 30 miles out. By that time you should be half way your STAR already.

Grtz,

JWS

[Peter Nielsen]

Peter,

thx. About "realistic". MSF isn't all that realistic, since you won't get ATIS untill 30 miles out. By that time you should be half way your STAR already.

Grtz,

JWS

In which case you have 2 other options.

1. Start to fly on line VATSIM/IVAO and experience real interaction with other people.

2. I assume you use a stand alone weather generator, such as Active Sky and have internet connection and are use PMgetWX programme..in which case you can use the ACARS option on the CDU to call up the METAR for your destination airport, say some 200 miles out and then decide which rwy and STAR to use depending on the latest WX..

To set up your Destination RWY and STAR at point of origin is not realistic as the WX may change whilst on route..

Cheers
Peter

[JWS]

Peter,

1. is on it's way but have to get my setup working properly.

2. Yes, I use AS so good idea. I'll look for PMgetWX.
Hopefully MSFS will asign the correct runways.

Now let's end this sub-thread, because we're wandering off the original subject.

Cheers to you,
JWS

[Peter Dowson]

2. Yes, I use AS so good idea. I'll look for PMgetWX.
Hopefully MSFS will asign the correct runways.

For good ATC with realistic ATIS weather distances (up to 80 nm) you might want to lok at Radar Contact, instead of using FS's own rather unrealistic ATC.

Regards

Pete

[David Rogers]

I second that.

For me, for maximum realism and involvement, it's IVAO or VATSIM.... buy there are times, for a variety of reasons and preferences, when you may want to fly off-line, and for that, I always use Radar Contact.... It's like the ATC we always wanted from MS

[737NUT]

Just last night, i flew from KSEA to KFAR. Using Real world weather option in FS9.

About 150 miles out i got on my laptop and checked the REAL metar for KFAR. When i got with-in range of ATIS low and behold, the weather was EXACTLY what the real metar showed. How can it get any better??

[JWS]

OK guys, I got the message.
1. I'll use RC (just installed it but must get the hang of it yet);
2. join IVAO (as soon as all the scenery is installed and PM and my CPFlight MCP are working like they should i.e. without + 6000 feet/min when engaging V/S);
3. and use PMgetWX (works great).

Now that being said, let's return to the subject of this thread, the CDU 393a.

Did the flights Michel used (EBOS-EGKK-EBOS) and must say that the routeplanning seems to be working fine now.
But, experienced problems with the A/T & speed restraints (don't know if this is CDU related).
Taking off from rwy 26 EGKK or 08 EBOS and using SID's means a sharp 180 degrees turn towards your destination. So I wanted the speed low (220 kts) until after the turn. Entered these restrictions in the LEGS page but the a/c busted them several times. I even had the speed going into the 350 (in stead of staying at least below 250).
On one test the VNAV speed stuck to 220 (while it should have been 250). Engaging SPD I selected 250 but as soon as it was on 250 and engaging VNAV, it dropped back to 220 (while the CDU showed 250).
I also noticed that between two waypoints where a speed restriction was entered, the speed was suddenly changed from let's say 190 to 250 (not nice when you are about to nose over on final).

Grtz,

JWS