When the Job becomes Dangerous...

[737NUT]

Looked like they needed more right wing down and left rudder! They say they don't cross control for passenger comfort but sometime i think you need to forgo the comfort for safety.

[dodiano]

She was actually thrown to the left and dropped the wing cause as she started to flare and hit that pedal to center the plane with the runway the gust hits and that makes the plane to be thrown all the way to the left, rudder Left and Aileron left ... Trust me with Winds, snow and Rain screw passenger comfort, Safety is first...

Crabbing is normal and the Grounds speed mini is mantining speed for wind correction, the Fly by wire system is controlling rudders and ailerons, you only have to center the flight director bars and they´ll take you all the way down, that is autmatic you are not pressing the pedal there just centering the bars with the sidestick... now when she steered the nose to the left to center it the gusts hits, she flared the plane a bit high and probably cut the throttles back loosing engine power make the plane more succeptible to the gust..

That throws the wing and hits the ground by this time she thought she had the runway gained... fights the plane back to the right cause the gust has throwned her away of the runway center using right rudder and aileron and they apply power at the same time though she used a lot of airleron almost hitting the right wing I think and then they perform the go around...

It was a difficult situation guys!

Regards,

Roberto

[Michael Carter]

It was a very difficult situation. I've landed in gusty conditions, but not a 50 ton airliner, but the same principles apply.

It can get quite scary very fast and you have to have your head about you. Actually performing the manouver without even thinking about it.

I once nearly put a 172RG into the grass at KCPS. If that had been the Mooney it would have looked a lot like the first picture posted. The gust just pushed the airplane off of the runway heading for the grass.

I had run out of control to counter it and decided to abort that one without even thinking about it. I flew it at an angle off of the runway until the gust subsided where I could turn it back to the right.

Since this topic came up, that day has been running though my head constantly. That is the only close call I've ever had with the ground.

[Joe Cygan]

Actually it was a gust what made that plane almost get out of the runway trust me it tends to happen a Windshear would simply would have thrown that plane into the ground specially with that attitude plus you have your Enhanced GPWS that calls Windshear ahead which is an immediate go around as well as a Go around if WINDSHEAR is called by the GPWS ... We have certain places where gust and crosswind are a factor in certain months of the year... Now and this is Airbus limitations MAX CROSSWING FOR LANDING 33kts Gust 38KTS he intended to land with Gust 48 simply what I would have done is go around either hold till winds calm or go to my alternate... Now it is easy to judge seating in this computer but when you are in that seat in that plane that is a different story...

Roberto

Here is my stupid opinion, lol.

Would have to agree with Roberto on this one, thinking go around would have been best option before the date on the runway thingy.

I’m thinking if you would have to land in that wind condition your best bet would to be plant that plane on the runway like a carrier landing to give as little ground affect persuasion as possible, but then again what do I know.

I’m just glad everyone was safe and I hope both pilots continue a lustrous career in aviation.

[aviaparts]

I wonder, would it be easier to land a Boeing in these conditions ? I am used to fly the 737 by hand. Just for fun I stepped into an A320 level D for 1 approach and landing. The first thing the instructor told me was ... stop correcting so much, the fly by wire doesn't follow anyway. A total different way of flying. Without FBW it is fighting untill on the ground but you feel every correction on the yokes or pedals.
Roberto, you will certainly know the difference ...

[dodiano]

I have flown Boeing´s on Level D simulators only the 777 and 737-500 and the -700 series, now as you said the A-320 you just don´t have to be correcting it all the time... The Fly By wire will handle it for you as you said.

When I started flying the Bus I used to do that of course I came from Flying Cessna´s and Navajos but big jets as Large Twin Engines you mostly fly it with AIleron rather than being playing a lot with the rudder towards the end...

Now regarding Boeing´s everal of the older Captains in my company they have flown the 737-200 and the -300 series as well as the 767 and they say Boeing flies much better with Wind than the Airbus does... But the basics are the same you follow the flight director by correcting with the Flight controls Aileron and some Rudder but is not that you have to correct that much either, You do weel the Rudder on the Bus you don´t have any force feedback on the Sidestick of course so that is a bit more weird when you are used to conventional Aircraft, But I will have to say not from experience but from hearing that Boeing has better x-wind handling capabilities.

Regards,

Roberto